The only good thing Hardakre did against Huddersfield is that clean break.

He ducked out of scooping up the ball in the first half (luckily we survived) when it required him to be brave and dive at the feet of a couple of onrushing Giants, he misjudged several kicks - one he clearly didn't have a clue where it was and was turned around and provided nothing in attack.

At this point I'd move him to C and put Escare at FB - and I'm not a big fan of Morgan at FB either (he's bad defensively), but at least his pace causes problems.

If all you took from my post is the comments about the players that left you ignored at least half of it.

However I will bite about the players bit while you go and think about the rest it

The idea Bullock has added more than Sutton is absolute nonsense. Sutton was a key player last season once he came back from injury. If you do not think he was, you were not watching. Bullock is a good prospect but the idea he is like for like now is just not right.

Hardaker may be as good as we could have got but he isn't Sam Tomkins and plays a different game. He is not the leader Sam T was. It's already blindingly obvious we do not have the tactics to make the best of Hardaker.

As to Greenwood and Bateman. Greenwood was NOT his replacement. They pay on different sides for a start. They are both very good players but in case you missed it we had both of them in the back row for most of the run in to the playoffs last season and they both played in the GF. So the idea Greenwood replaced Bateman misses the fact we had arguably the best 2nd row in SL with the pair of them in it. Not just Greenwood as we have now.

These players leaving is significant. Lam is reduced to playing Faz (when fit) on the right which is the wrong side for him because Bateman left.

So I go back to what I said before. With all the changes in playing personnel being as significant as they are, trying to play a different game is too ambitious from Lam.

Spot on but Bateman was by far the biggest loss. His contribution every week was immense. Greenwood was not really his replacement, he replaced Joel Tomkins. Last year we lost two right siders and signed one left sider.

I wish fans would stop referring to Lam 'getting a bad deal' with our squad. Instead of comparing our squad to last seasons compare it to Cas' or some of the other teams who are playing far better rugby than us. Some other SL coaches would love the talent we have in our squad, and quite frankly would get them performing better. Daryl Powell anyone?

Why waste a wish on that when you could have wished for those players back?

doesn't make any sense.

Why not provide a response rather than criticising with a silly emoji? Or is that not an option?

That was what I was trying to point out.

Whilst I do think Lam needs to be cut SOME slack, I totally agree. The team is littered with quality and multiple grand final winners, they just aren’t playing like it. Anyone using our squad as an excuse is simply that, an excuse.

Hardaker, Gildart, Manfredi, Williams, Leuleuai, O’loughlin, Flower, Greenwood. There’s some real quality there.

Exactly. I'd cut him some slack if we were looking decent, a competitive winning side who were still off perhaps the likes of Saints or Wire, but that's not the case, we're terrible.

A discussion is always better when people... discuss.

Smell the custard.
The pack has no quality depth...something that needs to extend beyond even the bench.
Even the most senior players have been sporadic, with the star signing spending more time off the pitch that on it.
That pack is desperate for another quality prop and running back rower.

Shall I tell you what is wrong with that statement?

After reading your recent responses my genuine thoughts are... 'who cares'.

Of course it's a place for discussion, so you honestly don't have to ask for my permission.

Do you think the team/squad is as good as it can be? And we need to sign more players to place anything higher than joint bottom?

While I think we need new additions to be a GF winning team, I think there's well enough quality to be at very least competitive.

For a Wire fan you certainly spend a lot of time on the Wigan forum. Though this only seems to be of late, which could coincide with Wigan’s current form.

https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... -1-9641544 He's sounding very much out of his depth with his comments in the press That being said... it is amazing what a win can do and the momentum that can bring/change in mood. Huge match this week at Wire.

https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... -1-9641544 He's sounding very much out of his depth with his comments in the press That being said... it is amazing what a win can do and the momentum that can bring/change in mood. Huge match this week at Wire.

Some of that but mainly because there's a game this week in case recent activity on here instead of the pitch clouded things.
Don't worry because I'll not be back when you beat us.

We were saying the other day that Wigan seemed to have a very unbalanced squad lacking in depth. You are never in the short term going to replace S Tomkins and Bateman and I'm not sure if you have replaced McLlorum either and the other side of the coin you have 4 wingers and 2 full backs when you need an extra half back and a prop to challenge the players that are in that position now.

Is it a season too far for O'Loughlin now that Wane no longer has an influence to keep on going. Lam has inherited a weaker team and Lenegan obviously needs to splash the cash in his favour.

Still a team good enough to be way higher than joint bottom. Still a squad to be pushing the top lot.

It's not like we've slightly declined, we've gone from champs and undefeated in the playoffs to joint bottom on 2 points. That's a massive fall. Would be ignorant not to consider a change in coach to be a factor.

Over 5 games, if thats the case after 20 then u may have a point. Rome wasnt built in a day

No but Pompeii was destroyed in a day!

Lol... I borrow that off you.