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| Comical
Keiron Cunningham........................
Well if you're going to be ridiculous and start to claim that not being there to play for England means you're an overseas player................
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| Wigan have a ready made centre gaining valuable SL experience so that he will be ready to 'drop into' the first team next season.
St Helens haven't, that's why they've had to steal one from Castleford.
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| Quote ="Guerrier"To a point, I agree with you. But if in Carmont's case, he's being retained for 1 more season to help turn a local, Wigan produced lad in Charnley into a ready made replacement, is that not better for Wigan and England in the long run?'"
Do you believe in fairies as well.
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| This is the same George Carmont that last year had talks with Saints when Wigan initially only offered him a one year deal.
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| In terms of value, Carmont has been IL's best signing by a long way in my view.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"This is the same George Carmont that lat year had talks with Saints when Wigan initially only offered him a one year deal.'"
Did they give him 2 then?? PS check your proof reading, Roy may be looking at your posts
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| Quote ="Benidorm John"Did they give him 2 then?? PS check your proof reading, Roy may be looking at your posts
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In a way. He got a one year deal with an option of another should he play enough games and prove his fitness, an option which has been taken up for 2011
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"To be honest that is EXACTLY that sort of situation that is annoying.
You have a young lad in Charnley who has arguably played better rugby in SL recently than Carmont. It's average 30+ players like Carmont being given 1 year extensions when you have a lad on loan playing SL to a high standard elsewhere that seems daft to me.
Charnley should be playing at Wigan next year and Hull KR should be playing one of their own youngsters in Charnley's place. Result - one extra young English player getting SL experience. IMO of course.'"
Who is replacing Shenton?
Hopefully a Brit, because if it is an Aussie, haven't Saints just done a similar thing by that logic? Why didn't you just put one of your own youngsters in?
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| Quote ="Benidorm John"Did they give him 2 then?? PS check your proof reading, Roy may be looking at your posts
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Mate, it doesn't matter whether your club talked to Carmont or not. St Helens have a long history of sniffing around other players - UK or foreign based, just as Wigan do. Your current side is chock full of players you didn't develop through your junior ranks, just as ours is.
It's the idea of you lot suddenly getting holier-than-thou about it that is comedy gold. Honestly, do you guys really think you occupy some kind of moral high ground on this? It's ridiculous.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"Mate, it doesn't matter whether your club talked to Carmont or not. St Helens have a long history of sniffing around other players - UK or foreign based, just as Wigan do. Your current side is chock full of players you didn't develop through your junior ranks, just as ours is.
It's the idea of you lot suddenly getting holier-than-thou about it that is comedy gold. Honestly, do you guys really think you occupy some kind of moral high ground on this? It's ridiculous.'"
For your information, I do not represent any "you lot", I call it as I see it at that time, the post was for Rogues to evaluate, we have a bit of banter now and again, but, accept that there is nothing personal intended at any time, as is this message for you.
I fully accept your observation on my post, but, don't agree with all of it, maybe, just like a lot of "your lot" (Wigan or Saints or Warrington or any other team don't.
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| OK OK I back down. 8 overseas players in the starting 17 in 2011 is great news for Wigan. Hope you all enjoy watching them.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"OK OK I back down. 8 overseas players in the starting 17 in 2011 is great news for Wigan. Hope you all enjoy watching them.'"
We'll enjoy watching them no more and no less than you enjoy watching yours.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"OK OK I back down. 8 overseas players in the starting 17 in 2011 is great news for Wigan. Hope you all enjoy watching them.'"
If they are good enough we will. Under the present regime, if they are not they won't play. I suggest we all wait until next season to see the squad personnel.
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How does the signing of Shenton and LMS
(a) spread the talent around. Wasn't the salary cap supposed to make teams more competitive?
(b) affect the development of the likes of Wheeler, Foster, Lomax, Frodsham, Magennis etc?
We have never played eight overseas player in our starting 17 this season, so why would we next season?
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"OK OK I back down. 8 overseas players in the starting 17 in 2011 is great news for Wigan. Hope you all enjoy watching them.'"
It could be worse. We could be looking forward to watching 'home-grown' talent like Bryn Hargreaves.
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| He can go tbh...every now and again he looks like he getting back to his best but he is what 30 summat now he will never be like he was at bradford let him go and buy a decent prop ...maybe Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook?
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| Quote ="loyal18"He can go tbh...every now and again he looks like he getting back to his best but he is what 30 summat now he will never be like he was at bradford let him go and buy a decent prop.'"
Would you keep Coley?
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Would you keep Coley?'"
id say he is better than fielden has much better games and is a hell of lot cheaper but also getting on abit maybe a one year deal.
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| Quote ="loyal18"id say he is better than fielden has much better games and is a hell of lot cheaper but also getting on abit maybe a one year deal.'"
Let me guess.
You sit near the back of the South Stand?
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| Get rid of either fielden or coley keep one for experience and bring in either Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook or Luke Burgess both young and we have jeff lima coming that would be nice
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| Quote ="loyal18"Get rid of either fielden or coley keep one for experience and bring in either Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook or Luke Burgess both young and we have jeff lima coming that would be nice'"
Except that LMS isn't anywhere near as good as Coley or Fielden, and Luke Burgess is pants.
Keep both Fielden and Coley, at the right price.
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| Quote ="loyal18"Get rid of either fielden or coley keep one for experience and bring in either Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook or Luke Burgess both young and we have jeff lima coming that would be nice'"
LMS has signed for Saints, Burgess is average at best. Lima is only one year younger than Fielden.
And you think Coley is better than Fielden
[urlhttp://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2010&hp1=420&hs2=2010&hp2=29&stat=tries&season=2010[/url
Never has been, and never will be.
Was I right about the South Stand?
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| Quote ="inside_man"Except that LMS isn't anywhere near as good as Coley or Fielden, and Luke Burgess is pants.
Keep both Fielden and Coley, at the right price.'"
LMS isnt as good true but at some point we need a long term replacement for coley and fielden id love them both to stay CHEAP but fielden might get better offers from clubs like hull fc but i think coley will stay.
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| Quote ="loyal18"LMS isnt as good true but at some point we need a long term replacement for coley and fielden id love them both to stay CHEAP but fielden might get better offers from clubs like hull fc but i think coley will stay.'"
We have long term replacements.
They are called Lee Mossop and Ben Davies, so would you like them to be 2 of our front line props next season?
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"LMS has signed for Saints, Burgess is average at best. Lima is only one year younger than Fielden.
And you think Coley is better than Fielden
[urlhttp://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2010&hp1=420&hs2=2010&hp2=29&stat=tries&season=2010[/url
Never has been, and never will be.
Was I right about the South Stand?'"
I hope Stuart takes Wigans offer would be a shame to loose him he has a great attitude to his work and is a good roll model for the younger players
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