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| Quote ="windy"You are correct.
I would have a jabs-for-jobs policy. RL is in a perilous state has it is without having games postponed, last season was a farce, we can’t literally afford a repeat.'"
You do know that the vaccine doesn’t stop you catching or passing covid on right?
So even if 100% of players are vaccinated it wouldn’t stop games getting postponed like you are implying.
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| Quote ="windy"You are correct.
I would have a jabs-for-jobs policy. RL is in a perilous state has it is without having games postponed, last season was a farce, we can’t literally afford a repeat.'"
Yes a total farce.
Almost as farcical as vaccination mandates despite the fact that the covid vaccines were developed to help stop/reduce serious cases and were never intended to stop people getting or passing on the covid virus.
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Quote ="Jukesays"Good to hear that we have 97%ish team of leaders who have all taken a personal choice rather than listen to Facebook/Twitter conspiracy theorists.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60083474'"
Total zealots. I feel nothing but contempt for people like that.
I haven’t used the bbc website for sometime so maybe I used their search function incorrectly but I couldn’t find anything on their website re the protest yesterday in London for the unvaccinated nhs staff.
I genuinely hope it’s my lack of ability in using the function rather than the bbc ignoring the protest.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60083474'"
Total zealots. I feel nothing but contempt for people like that.
I haven’t used the bbc website for sometime so maybe I used their search function incorrectly but I couldn’t find anything on their website re the protest yesterday in London for the unvaccinated nhs staff.
I genuinely hope it’s my lack of ability in using the function rather than the bbc ignoring the protest.
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Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"Total zealots. I feel nothing but contempt for people like that.
I haven’t used the bbc website for sometime so maybe I used their search function incorrectly but I couldn’t find anything on their website re the protest yesterday in London for the unvaccinated nhs staff.
I genuinely hope it’s my lack of ability in using the function rather than the bbc ignoring the protest.'"
It wasn’t the headline, but it was featured prominently in this article
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60096735
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Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"Total zealots. I feel nothing but contempt for people like that.
I haven’t used the bbc website for sometime so maybe I used their search function incorrectly but I couldn’t find anything on their website re the protest yesterday in London for the unvaccinated nhs staff.
I genuinely hope it’s my lack of ability in using the function rather than the bbc ignoring the protest.'"
It wasn’t the headline, but it was featured prominently in this article
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60096735
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https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... ad-3537772
Ian Lenagan has revealed that all but one member of the Wigan Warriors squad has been vaccinated against Covid-19.
Speaking at the club’s media day on Friday, he said players can’t be pressured into getting the vaccine, although they will try to persuade them.
The Wigan owner hopes that the prospect of missing some matches throughout the season will act as an incentive across the sport.
He said: “When you’re speaking about religious, cultural or any other reasons, you can’t force but you can persuade. People have their own reasons why they choose not to be vaccinated.
For a younger player, or even more so for an older one, you want to play every in a season, and we’ve got two games away in Toulouse and Perpignan.
I’ve seen what the NRL are doing, and the French scenario is quite important. Look at Djokovic and Tennis in Australia, everyone has the same problem.
We are in a good place, and the fact that scrums are coming back is obviously a tribute to the percent of vaccinated players is high.”
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Ian Lenagan has revealed that all but one member of the Wigan Warriors squad has been vaccinated against Covid-19.
Speaking at the club’s media day on Friday, he said players can’t be pressured into getting the vaccine, although they will try to persuade them.
The Wigan owner hopes that the prospect of missing some matches throughout the season will act as an incentive across the sport.
He said: “When you’re speaking about religious, cultural or any other reasons, you can’t force but you can persuade. People have their own reasons why they choose not to be vaccinated.
For a younger player, or even more so for an older one, you want to play every in a season, and we’ve got two games away in Toulouse and Perpignan.
I’ve seen what the NRL are doing, and the French scenario is quite important. Look at Djokovic and Tennis in Australia, everyone has the same problem.
We are in a good place, and the fact that scrums are coming back is obviously a tribute to the percent of vaccinated players is high.”
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| Really good work by all concerned. I’d imagine there will be a few clubs with more than one player unvaccinated and it’ll be tough to swallow for clubs and their supporters having to take on the French clubs short handed.
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Thank you.
Pleased that they actually reported it albeit surprised that it wasn’t/isn’t considered to be a headline story.
I’m amazed and disappointed that our Parliament has voted for this.
A lot of loyal and highly trained staff are going to be thrown on the scrap heap for no guaranteed outcome even if all nhs staff are vaccinated.
Stupidity of the highest order.
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Thank you.
Pleased that they actually reported it albeit surprised that it wasn’t/isn’t considered to be a headline story.
I’m amazed and disappointed that our Parliament has voted for this.
A lot of loyal and highly trained staff are going to be thrown on the scrap heap for no guaranteed outcome even if all nhs staff are vaccinated.
Stupidity of the highest order.
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"Thank you.
Pleased that they actually reported it albeit surprised that it wasn’t/isn’t considered to be a headline story.
I’m amazed and disappointed that our Parliament has voted for this.
A lot of loyal and highly trained staff are going to be thrown on the scrap heap for no guaranteed outcome even if all nhs staff are vaccinated.
Stupidity of the highest order.'"
Well said!
Although you aren’t allowed to say that on this forum.
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Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"Thank you.
Pleased that they actually reported it albeit surprised that it wasn’t/isn’t considered to be a headline story.
I’m amazed and disappointed that our Parliament has voted for this.
A lot of loyal and highly trained staff are going to be thrown on the scrap heap for no guaranteed outcome even if all nhs staff are vaccinated.
Stupidity of the highest order.'"
It was one of the lead stories yesterday on the site, I'd say about the 5th so it wasnt hidden away.
Theyve also done numerous stories relating to NHS staff who don't want to be vaccinated inc the doctor who challenged sajid javid and this one
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-h ... e-59986794
They also run numerous fact checking stories through a lady called Rachel schraer (not sure of spelling)
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Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"Thank you.
Pleased that they actually reported it albeit surprised that it wasn’t/isn’t considered to be a headline story.
I’m amazed and disappointed that our Parliament has voted for this.
A lot of loyal and highly trained staff are going to be thrown on the scrap heap for no guaranteed outcome even if all nhs staff are vaccinated.
Stupidity of the highest order.'"
It was one of the lead stories yesterday on the site, I'd say about the 5th so it wasnt hidden away.
Theyve also done numerous stories relating to NHS staff who don't want to be vaccinated inc the doctor who challenged sajid javid and this one
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-h ... e-59986794
They also run numerous fact checking stories through a lady called Rachel schraer (not sure of spelling)
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Quote ="Jukesays"It was one of the lead stories yesterday on the site, I'd say about the 5th so it wasnt hidden away.
Theyve also done numerous stories relating to NHS staff who don't want to be vaccinated inc the doctor who challenged sajid javid and this one
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-h ... e-59986794
They also run numerous fact checking stories through a lady called Rachel schraer (not sure of spelling)'"
As I said Jukes it was probably my inability to do the correct search and I’m pleased that they are reporting it.
I will check out the Rachel lady. I haven’t heard of her so hopefully some interesting reading.
It’s that long since I logged onto the site it took me several attempts to get on as I couldn’t remember my password.
I’m just surprised that it isn’t the top headline as once February 3rd is passed then in theory it’s a point of no return.
I never thought I would live in a country where such jaw dropping absurd legislation passes with such a majority and it isn’t the story that all news outlets lead on. I find it unforgivable.
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Quote ="Jukesays"It was one of the lead stories yesterday on the site, I'd say about the 5th so it wasnt hidden away.
Theyve also done numerous stories relating to NHS staff who don't want to be vaccinated inc the doctor who challenged sajid javid and this one
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-h ... e-59986794
They also run numerous fact checking stories through a lady called Rachel schraer (not sure of spelling)'"
As I said Jukes it was probably my inability to do the correct search and I’m pleased that they are reporting it.
I will check out the Rachel lady. I haven’t heard of her so hopefully some interesting reading.
It’s that long since I logged onto the site it took me several attempts to get on as I couldn’t remember my password.
I’m just surprised that it isn’t the top headline as once February 3rd is passed then in theory it’s a point of no return.
I never thought I would live in a country where such jaw dropping absurd legislation passes with such a majority and it isn’t the story that all news outlets lead on. I find it unforgivable.
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"Yes of course the only logical thing to do. Highly unlikely that it’s legal of course but hey face the consequences.'"
Seems to be ok for Morrisons, Next, Ikea, Ocado and Wessex Water to not pay their unvaccinated staff full sick pay when they are forced to isolate and instead give them SSP. Being unable to enter France to do your job because of your choice would be under a similar area of employment law, and thus I wouldnt put it past this Govt to actively support employers who took that stance.
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"Thank you.
Pleased that they actually reported it albeit surprised that it wasn’t/isn’t considered to be a headline story.
I’m amazed and disappointed that our Parliament has voted for this.
A lot of loyal and highly trained staff are going to be thrown on the scrap heap for no guaranteed outcome even if all nhs staff are vaccinated.
Stupidity of the highest order.'"
Last week's stats - 93% of ICU Covid patients in the hospital my daugher works in were unvaccinated. Other 7% were one-jabbers. 0% double/triple jabbed.
She works in a large hospital in the West Midlands.
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"Yes of course the only logical thing to do. Highly unlikely that it’s legal of course but hey face the consequences.
Also the unvaccinated nhs staff should also work for no pay then get rid of them in April once the winter season is over. Make them face the consequences once winter is over. It’s the only logical thing to do isn’t it?'"
they already are dismissing them arent they? my employer is doing it and is a huge global company so I suspect they know employment law
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| Quote ="muttywhitedog"Last week's stats - 93% of ICU Covid patients in the hospital my daugher works in were unvaccinated. Other 7% were one-jabbers. 0% double/triple jabbed.
She works in a large hospital in the West Midlands.'"
Oh well then, let’s get it in now then based off one hospital and one week of data
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| Quote ="muttywhitedog"Seems to be ok for Morrisons, Next, Ikea, Ocado and Wessex Water to not pay their unvaccinated staff full sick pay when they are forced to isolate and instead give them SSP. Being unable to enter France to do your job because of your choice would be under a similar area of employment law, and thus I wouldnt put it past this Govt to actively support employers who took that stance.'"
Who’s to say they haven’t just done that for publicity, it’s a pretty non sensical and redundant rule really given the employees could just delete the app
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| Quote ="WiganRL12345"Oh well then, let’s get it in now then based off one hospital and one week of data'"
Might only be one hospital in a large city, but its a fact - unlike the spouted on twitter.
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| Quote ="muttywhitedog"Might only be one hospital in a large city, but its a fact - unlike the poop spouted on twitter.'"
Not suggesting what your daughter has told you isn’t true, just a meaningless piece of information isolated like that. Who mentioned Twitter? Not really sure what that has to do with it.
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| Quote ="muttywhitedog"Seems to be ok for Morrisons, Next, Ikea, Ocado and Wessex Water to not pay their unvaccinated staff full sick pay when they are forced to isolate and instead give them SSP. Being unable to enter France to do your job because of your choice would be under a similar area of employment law, and thus I wouldnt put it past this Govt to actively support employers who took that stance.'"
If we accept the Morrisons of this world we are doomed.
A PE company who couldn’t give a flying shoite about anything other then turning their investment into a profit. They would sell their children to obtain a profit.
I wouldn’t touch their premises if they were offering a lifetime of free beer.
What should happen is make illegal to pay anyone who gets covid. Vaccinated or Unvaccinated.
Doesn’t matter what your contract says. Get covid no pay.
That’ll sort out a lot of people.
The majority of people with covid are vaccinated.
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"If we accept the Morrisons of this world we are doomed.
A PE company who couldn’t give a flying shoite about anything other then turning their investment into a profit. They would sell their children to obtain a profit.
I wouldn’t touch their premises if they were offering a lifetime of free beer.
What should happen is make illegal to pay anyone who gets covid. Vaccinated or Unvaccinated.
Doesn’t matter what your contract says. Get covid no pay.
That’ll sort out a lot of people.
The majority of people with covid are vaccinated.'"
Thank god you aren't in charge then.
I got Covid over Xmas and I'm fully jabbed and boosted. Why should i get docked pay for getting Ill? What an absolutely stupid comment to make.
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| Quote ="Pieman"they already are dismissing them arent they? my employer is doing it and is a huge global company so I suspect they know employment law'"
If it was my company I’d resign and personally I’d chin my manager.
If there is an hill to die on this is it.
Will be interesting to see Pieman when someone actually does take this to court as this is inevitable. I’d happily fund any nurse or doctor suing the nation for it’s totally incomprehensible law of firing loyal staff because they don’t want to have vaccine that doesn’t guarantee you cannot get or pass on the virus. It’s a total utter nonsense.
I think February 3rd is d day so to speak. Johnson doesn’t know what day it is let alone the societal impact of this totalitarian statement will have. If this isn’t stopped life will have have irrecoverably changed for a generation or more.
The support on here and within society in general for nhs staff is lamentable.
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| Quote ="sergeant pepper"Thank god you aren't in charge then.
I got Covid over Xmas and I'm fully jabbed and boosted. Why should i get docked pay for getting Ill? What an absolutely stupid comment to make.'"
Wooooosh.
You don’t get sarcasm do you SP?
So a nurse will lose her job without being jabbed but a nurse who has had all 3 jabs gets the virus but no problem.
It is totally and utterly illogical just like not paying anyone who gets covid.
So do you support sacking all nurses who haven’t been vaccinated?
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You don’t get sarcasm do you SP?
So a nurse will lose her job without being jabbed but a nurse who has had all 3 jabs gets the virus but no problem.
It is totally and utterly illogical just like not paying anyone who gets covid.
So do you support sacking all nurses who haven’t been vaccinated?'"
No I don't actually and definitely don't on a moronic topic such as this.
There's a vaccine - stfu & have it simple as that. Vaccine = good & illness = bad. It's 2022 FFS, not sure how it's not the most simple thing to understand. Please don't bother with a reply as I couldn't give a rat's with the whataboutisms, personal choice or conspiracy theory of the day.
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| Quote ="sergeant pepper"No I don't actually and definitely don't on a moronic topic such as this.
There's a vaccine - stfu & have it simple as that. Vaccine = good & illness = bad. It's 2022 FFS, not sure how it's not the most simple thing to understand. Please don't bother with a reply as I couldn't give a rat's with the whataboutisms, personal choice or conspiracy theory of the day.'"
I’ll reply because I can.
If you want me to stfu message me and let’s meet up. Anytime anywhere.
There’s a vaccine that I’ve had plus the booster and I’d recommend to everyone to have it. It doesn’t guarantee you won’t get the virus but your happy to fire potentially thousands of staff that haven’t had it.
Total common sense.
Do you support firing nhs staff that haven’t had the vaccine?
You’ve not the to reply to that have you?
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| Quote ="muttywhitedog"Most companies have a sickness policy which will determine what (if any) sanctions are placed on employees who take time off sick. Mine does, and I'm required to have a return to work discussion with staff after a sickness absence. One of the mandatory questions is to ask as to what preventative steps did the employee take to avoid being sick. This has traditionally been for coughs, colds, muscularskeletal absences, and its aimed at whether they take vitamins or undertake exercise/physio that has been advised by a medical professional to treat pre-existing conditions. However, now we have covid-absences, the question is asked in a way to determine the vaccination status, and whether the employee has taken medical advice to get jabbed. Somewhere down the line I see unvaccinated employees who develop long covid being shown the door because they will be deemed to have not done everything they could to avoid serious illness.'"
Isn’t the question being asked re vaccination status retrospective? What if an employee got long covid before vaccines were developed?
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