Gaskell was running at full pace and was less than a yard out when Tomkins hit him. No fullback in the world would have prevented that try. It was the defenders in the line who let him make the break that were at fault.

Spot on, Sam did well to have the impact that he did because Gaskell was going through at full pelt. You cannot alter the laws of physics, no full back would of stopped that try.

Our sam hasn't been his self of late weather it's fatigue his shoulder injury playing up or just fooked after one he'll of a long season one things for sure he is the best full back in the game and waney would be silly to bring him back to the halves who is gonna replace deacs??thoughts??

Admittedly the gap left in the line helps, but Gaskell was more then fifteen metres out when he got the ball. The reason tomkins could only make contact a metre or so from the line is that he was still coming across and not in the best defensive position during the play and not moving forward to meet the attacker. Still......

The previous PTB was about 10 metres in from the right touchline. Sam was following the ball back across the line. For me Sam wasnt at fault for that try, Leuluai and Hansen left a massive hole 10 metres from the try line. The FB is expected to be a solid last line of defence, but imo is not expected to stop those one on one.

Try him or play him there? If he is only [itrying[/i him there who is going to get the starting number 6 jersey? None of the alternatives are good enough for various reasons. Deacon needs to retire. Lockers playing 6 means the best 13 at the club is in the wrong position. Tommy at 6 means Micky Mac has to do the full 80.

I certainly hope Wane does try the younger players out. I think we all agree it should have happened this year already but it didn't so we have to adopt a realistic approach and I don't see the alternatives to Sam back at 6 as realistic at all.



And if Sam isn't injured and is playing 1 who plays 6? See above for the dilemma.



It is because we have no obvious candidates but then we don't have any for 6 either if you insist Sam has to play 1.



Six is also a problem. But of course moving Sam to 6 to solve that one means full back needs filling.

So hypothetically speaking lets say Roberts operation fails and he can't play FB to allow Sam to go to 6. We then have a choice. Give Mellor the 6 jersey full time to keep Sam at 1 or promote Russell to move Sam to 6.

The right answer to this conundrum is which of those two would have the best chance of hacking it full time in SL. So out of those two for those who watch the U20's, which one is it?

None of these questions can be answered until we know exactly where we are in terms of recruitment. The players you have mentioned might not be the only options.

Then answer the questions based on the assumption we won't recruit anyone. That is as good a rumour any as it has been mentioned we won't be recruiting due to junior players having salaries upgraded.

In any case Father Ted who's post I was responding to never mentioned recruitment n relation to the half backs and I was pointing out the dilemma that posed.

So if we don't bring in a half back who gets the starting 6 jersey in 2012? Give me a name and reasons why they should get it.

At the minute I cant answer that. Our 2011 season has just finished and we dont yet know for definite what the squad will look like for 2012. After next year's squad has been finalised I'll be happy to give my opinion on who will play where.

I would imagine that if we aren't bringing in a half or hooker then Deacon has decided to go round again (wrong decision imo). I honestly think IL will have something up his sleeve though, after 2 successful seasons challenging for trophies he's not going to leave the squad short in key positions.

What a joke of a thread, are we talking about front runner for man of steel, FULLBACK Sam Tomkins??? Yes? Thought so.

I asked you to assume we would not recruit anyone which is not out of the question by any means. I reckon you won't answer it because you would have to admit the logical choice would be Sam to 6.





If it's wrong for Deacon to go around again (which it is IMO) and we don't recruit anyone who would you play at 6?

IF we don't recruit anyone then Sam may play 6, cant see it like. AND I think we will recruit someone. If Sam plays 6, who plays 1? Roberts hasnt looked like finding his form from 2010 and will be 31 next year, anyone else is untested at SL level.

To answer your 2nd question, if Deacs retires and we dont bring anyone in as a direct replacement, then I'll be very disappointed with some areas of our squad and our recruitment for 2012 in general. After bringing in Hoffman, Finch and Lima for 2011 bringing in Lauaki and a few from Crusaders is massively disappointing (I'm aware players of this calibre aren't avaialble every year but it's the standard of players we need to be looking at in key positions)

In the hypothetical situation we dont bring anyone in then the options at 6 would be Sam, Lockers (both not in their best position imo), Mellor (untested) or Finch with Leuluai at 7 (leaves us short at hooker).

I also still think Sam is wasted at full back. We could get away with him at FB if we had some pace at the current half back positions which we lack at present.

Sam is our only gamebreaker at the moment and he is not being used to the best by having him running the full length of the field at the moment.

Apparently the fastest 'off the mark' we ever had was Ces Mountford over a 10 yard burst. Both Edwards and Gregory had speed over a short distance and frequently won matches by these swift attacks.

John Ferguson was not the fastest ever Wigan winger, but what he could do was get to his top speed in one step - he was a blooming freak. He could also sidestep on a tanner.

why do we always have this thread after we lose?

Some of us have been saying this for a while if you take notice.

3/4 people with silly opinions that make zero sense?

yeah, i'll pass on 'taking notice' of that if you don't mind. stupid is as stupid does

Sam Tomkins is going to be signed by Warrington to replace their aging fullback.

Mark my words this will be the truth in Warrington within days.

In English please, it's a great language.

Yet sadly it will be seen as nonsense everywhere else.

You're kidding, mate.

Sams full back play this year has been brilliant in attack..dodgy in defence...hence Pat drops back to 1 late in the defending set.
I have reservations about Sams ability to tackle a big man...and he certainly cant come up with the big hits that tomy and brett do.

put him at 6 and he'll be brilliant at 6 in attack....if the opposition havnt knackered him up by targetting him in defense..........yes.......thats what will happen..a la Deacs...he'll be the weak link.

so whats the answer?
get someone who can play 6 and 1......a defensive 6, and an attacking 1, and switch him with Sam as needs be.

and ive no idea who fits the bill either before you ask

I'd play Tomkins at 6, similiar to the way saints let Lomax & Gaskell play together, Gaskell does the organising and kicking Lomax does his thing, let Finch lead the team around the park, Tomkins can still do his thing.

I just don't think he's good enough defensively to be a FB.

And he does return the ball back that much from kicks anymore, he is more often likely to pass the ball to one of the wingers.

I've also heard a little rumour that Saracens RU are going to make a huge offer to Wigan to buy out the contracts for both Tomkins brothers.

Like I say it's just a rumour

Whilst I'd love Sam and JT to stay, money talks and at least they would not be playing for rivals. Need to make sure that there is a buy back option for when it doesn't work out.