I bet we're not a million miles off by kick off.

I don't think we can make a call on that untill the day, we have no idea how many tickets the RFL might not have sold.

I am getting pretty fed up with the attitude of RL fans, they all rabbitt on about it being the greatest game and yet 2 weeks ago everyone was saying they wouldn't go to cardiff because of the cold, and now people won't by a ticket for the biggest game of the season. It baffles me.

I agree.

We should have sold 35k.

How many have been Sold?
Have you read my previous replies? Can you not work out whether I Disagree or not from them? If you can't I suggest you read a bit more carefully?

Am I happy with an Average Derby Crowd? Well I'm certainly not sat Here crying my eyes out over it like some! Especially when no-one knows what's Been sold?

As for Average Derby Crowd, is that Average for last year derby Crowd or Average say 5/10 years ago when twice in 1 season we didn't break 15,000? Then only just got past 15k in the League the year after.



Why? Who's said they're not buying a ticket for what You regard as The biggest game of the season?
I'm pretty sure I haven't seen many on here saying there not going?

You then say "I don't think we can make a call on that untill the day, we have no idea how many tickets the RFL might not have sold"!
I think you may want to review your outlook on a few things, "Pretty fed up with the attitude of RL Fans" etc

Did you go EVERY GAME last year? Or the Year Before? Why Not?

I don't mind that as long as I can have two fit blondes sat on my lap in the ground.

Speak to SC and see if it can be arranged.

You have just blown this up huge...

All I am saying is that why do RL fans constantly say its the greatest game but don't buy the tickets, its a problem with more than just this one game. As for people saying they are not buying a ticket, I havn't heard many people say that but a lot more people went to the GF so why are they not willing to part with the cash for this game?

I am certainly not 'crying my eyes out' but as a fan of the club I a quite concerned we can't sell-out for a game this big, I am shocked you don't seem all that bothered with an ok crowd.

The reason I said we can't make a call on it untill the day is because we don't know how many have been sold, what we do know is that it is not a sell-out, it is currently around 2,500 from a sell-out. It could be more than that as we don't know what the RFL have sold. We definantly know it isn't less than that.

I didn't go to every game last year

I fail to see how that makes a difference in what has been said.

I also fail to see how you can be happy with the crowd so far after we took many more than that to OT, this game is on our doorstep.

Finally, yes the attitude of RL fans is poor, if the fans bought into the RFL's concepts more than the game would be much better off, I suppose the answer is finding why they don't buy into it. I wish they did, afterall I believe it is the greatest game, I am sure that is one thing we can agree on.

Months back everyone on these boards was saying how great it will be to have all four sides of the ground full on wiganers, this is not looking likely at all (however I would love to be proved wrong and for a massive surge in ticket sales to occur. Would you not prefer if this was the case? Do you not want to see us sell-out? I can't grasp where you are coming from.

I believe such a big game should sell-out seeing as it is at home. I can't understand why you would believe any differently.

I think this is getting blown out of proportion. There IS going to be over 20,000 Wiganers in the DW on Sunday to watch us play in the World Club Challenge. What would we have given for that in 2006? If someone had told us then that their biggest problem was that their club might not quite completely sell out the WCC we would have laughed in their face! It might sell out yet anyway, so why worry about it till after the game? It certainly won't make the night any less special for me!

I never said anything of the sort - it's poor we haven't sold out yet and don't look to at the moment. We took a lot more to OT than 25k or 30k as well.



And yet Leeds average crowd is similar to ours - the core support should sell out a 25,000 ground with all the neutrals. At the moment that doesn't look to be the case.

People are looking to blame the RFL for something that we should be looking closer to home about.

Very good point, I am getting too concerned over not too much I guess. I can't help but feel disapointed with the sales though. I'm sure on the night it won't even matter especially if we win. Just happy to be able to attend myself!

Someone said earlier that IL mentioned we had broken 20k ticket sales well over a week ago. Even if we don't sell another ticket from tonight, we will have the greatest amount of Wiganers in the ground that we've seen since we've been there.

I love your glass half full approach

Which really is unusual for me.



Wiganers (being thrifty) will clamour for the remaining South Stand tickets in the morning and the North will sell rapidly pretty much all the way through to Sunday. Only the expensive East & West tickets I'd struggle to see us sell fully, some are £40+ each for a ticket, double normal league game prices.

No doubt some non regular supporting Wiganers may think "How can you justify that when you see 4 x games for £40/£50 packages for the football....etc"

Now lets compare to another game over the weekend: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=483726 Stains v Wire. Massive Clash. Local Derby. First game at their temporary home in Widnes. Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"How are they going at Saints? Hope it will be a good attendance and a cracking atmopshere as always. Our offical website is claiming our allocation is nearly all gone and us hoping to get some more adult tickets in over the next few days.'" Quote ="McClennan"I would imagine it's going to be a sell out or close to.'" Quote ="McClennan"It holds 13.5k I think.'" Quote ="The Chair Maker"The East stand behind the goal were Saints are is sold out. =#800000The North stand has around 500 seats left unsold=#800000The South stand looks to have around 2000 left unsold, this is according to Saints online booking system. =#4000FFWire claim to have pretty much sold out the west stand. [uAt present we are probably looking at around 9-10k in ticket sales[/u.'" And that includes Wire's allocation of 3-4k. So 20-22k Wiganers so far ain't at all bad really!!!

Now lets compare to another game over the weekend: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=483726 Stains v Wire. Massive Clash. Local Derby. First game at their temporary home in Widnes. Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"How are they going at Saints? Hope it will be a good attendance and a cracking atmopshere as always. Our offical website is claiming our allocation is nearly all gone and us hoping to get some more adult tickets in over the next few days.'" Quote ="McClennan"I would imagine it's going to be a sell out or close to.'" Quote ="McClennan"It holds 13.5k I think.'" Quote ="The Chair Maker"The East stand behind the goal were Saints are is sold out. =#800000The North stand has around 500 seats left unsold=#800000The South stand looks to have around 2000 left unsold, this is according to Saints online booking system. =#4000FFWire claim to have pretty much sold out the west stand. [uAt present we are probably looking at around 9-10k in ticket sales[/u.'" And that includes Wire's allocation of 3-4k. So 20-22k Wiganers so far ain't at all bad really!!!

So true of our fans, the last derby at saints saw tickets go on sale over a month before, people were trying to get tickets on here the day before

Some people have to budget weekly and can only pay game by game (especially if going as a family). I'm telling you now that some regulars still won't have bought tickets for Sunday due to:

Christmas.
Season Ticket Purchase.
Cardiff weekend.
Bradford Game.

Wait for pay day on Thursday/Friday - buy ticket Friday.

:2w3cmu3g

Yes you did

I have invited loads of people, meant to be having family coming from Boston to attend the game, it shouldn't need this.

I am concerned in the context of being a RL fan, of course I have other things I am concerned about, this however is a RL message board and not a life clinic



I am not losing sleep, stop making things up..... you make out that this is ending my life...

Yes all of those reasons but are you seriously telling me that 15k extra wiganer who were at OT are covered by all of those reasons. I am pretty sure they will be sat at home watching on tele, I am just saying it is a shame.

I am well aware of these other figures, still means nothing though that was years ago. Strange you are bringing so many other things into this when all I am talking about is that its a shame this game isn't sold out....

You have missed the point in regards to capacity, I believe we should be selling at least 30k for this game with so many going to OT, why wouldn't they want to come to this game as well. So yes I would be disapointed with 25k if it held 27k. When a game sells out it is normally the case that other people couldn't get tickets.

Anyway, talking about making a mountain out of a mole hill...... again all I am saying is that I would love the game to sell-out and that I am disapointed it hasn't already. You have managed to turn this into me not being concerned about other areas in my life and getting a job at the RFL. Amazing



Just to prove how passionate I am about getting bums on seats if you ever doubted this.... the degree I am doing is sports marketing. If all goes to plan I will get work experience at one of the clubs in Sydney and come back working for Wigan and fill the stadium every week, would that be ok for you

I'd also just like to point that the town has been affected badly by the economy downturn and as such there are quite a large number of families who are STILL finding themselves with a lot less disposable income.

Faced with the choice of missing the game live and watching on SKY round your mates house against going to the game but risking the mis-payment of bills is a pretty easy one to make when you're stuck in that situation.

For one person £40 gets you 4 x family deal tickets in the North Stand, to the next person.....it's last months Gas Bill.

I completely accept that but it does not give the lone reason for 15k wiganers who attended the GF not going.

Que sera sera,
Whatever will be will be
We'll pack out the JJB
Que sera sera!

As Que sera sera,
After Work experience in Sydney
He sells out the JJB,
OdemWingie!



Altogether now!


On a serious note, All I am saying is in relative terms some people, myself included, taking many, many things into account may say that 20k plus is a pretty good crowd for a Sunday Evening, RFL, Expensive to some, event?

You thought we would sell out no problem, we haven't, "Yet".
Let's wait before we spread doom & gloom across the board, I'm not sure many other clubs would be selling 2ok plus tickets in a Town our size and calling it " Poor"?

Another POV that was put to me about this was "What if the RFL had their way and they'd taken it somewhere else with more lets say "Corporate" adavantages" say COM stadium or maybe even REEBOK with it's Hotel etc and better transport Network".
More corporate but less Wiganners? Which would be better?

Why don't you ask the club for their views on it?

Seriousl Question.

Your going into Sports marketting, your asking a Valid question.
Why not ask?

No but it could be one of many reasons.

Here's another.

How many young kids went to grand final on a Saturday, but won;t be going to the WCC due to the fact it's played at 7.15pm on a Sunday, with the next day being a school night??

Don't forget our league games are played at 8pm on Friday night's when the younger kids don't have to be at school.

Again, just another ONE reason......but all these variations will total up!!!

Not all 15k extra fans from the Grand Final will just be thinking....'fook it, can't be d'...!!

I am chilled....

That is a quality song!!! You should write some more!
I agree and I had an orginal pessimistic view when the time and prices were announced, but you can't escape the fact that so many people from Wigan attended the GF.

True I am not sure any other teams could sell so many at this price other than Leeds. I doubt even saints would get another 23k crowd at this price.

I would love for the RFL to show some ambition and move it to Eastlands, they woulld actually need to spend some money to gain some though and I don't think they would be willing to risk this.

In relation to your next post I spoke to IL about this topic after the last fans forum in quite a lengthy conversation so I am sure I will get my chance to ask in person at some point. I was not holding back on any of the questions I asked last time so I am sure I could get some answers. As an example I ask him if he was serious about his plans for a 20k average and what plans and figures he has in place to achieve this, what money would be spent to achieve this and how many season tickets would we need to sell etc.

Your best point is that we should really wait untill the night... I hope I come on here blushing because the game has sold out... however I can't see it...

One thing is for sure, whoever is not in attendance will miss out on he best RL ultras display in the history of the sport