thats ok then, due to the excemption Mozza has from the high tackle rule

So sticking your leg out in front of someone doesn't constitute a foul, because he missed?

And if someone throws a punch and misses, that's not a foul either?


You're right about sin-binning him at the end, but he should've been off the pitch already for an attempted trip.

absolute tripe, atleast most wigan fans on here can accept the defeat with grace, your just making a fool out of yourself.

He hardly tried to kick him in the face, what he did was to try and stop the try in the only way he could at that moment. Now I don't agree with doing that, as it can be dangerous, but its made out to be worse when people like you try to convince us all that Sam just wanted to kick Clarke in the face. I can fully except the defeat and thought Wigan were awful and well and truly outclassed, but with that in mind some Wire fans then think that Wigan have no right to mention any of the incidents that went against us.

I'd certainly agree with the first part of your statement. OK, it was dangerous, but it was a spur of the moment thing and he certainly didn't make contact with John Clarke's head. It warranted what it got, a quick word from the ref. I also haven't seen any suggestions that Sam wanted to kick Clarke in the face (and if he did his aim was awful!).
The problem has been that some Wigan fans seem to be picking out relatively minor matters to deflect from the Hock incident. One fan on the VT has even suggested it wasn't the correct tackling technique. The Morley tackle was dealt with at the time, and any suggestion that lima wasn't in the wrong with Matt King is ridiculous. Since when was hair pulling part of the game?

There's currently a 14 page thread about the hock incident, so hardly deflecting from it, because Hock did that does it mean that any other incidents can just be forgotten about? and I wouldn't call it a minor matter. Fair enough Its not as serious as a gauge to the eyes but tripping is still a bad offence to commit.

Morley did attempt to trip sam. His leg blatantly moves towards sam but he'd already been penalised for the high shot. Of course steve and eddie didn't start crying about it which means it can't of really happened then?

If Sam was trying to kick him in the head he would of took it clean off, it was point blank range for god sake. He tried to block the ball from being grounded, he did not attempt to injure any player in doing that. It was dangerous and obviously its not allowed and if he had actually stopped it being grounded then im sure he would of been punished.

If he was trying to kick Clarke in the face, he'd have kicked him in the face. He was trying to get his foot on the line to stop the ball going over for a try. As it was he kicked the ball and made minimum contact with Clarke's arm, and that was it. A very minor incident, blown up out of all proportion. I'll admit it didn't look good at full speed but replays show no malice in the slightest.

It seems to be getting out of hand. Grown men and women, many presumably with families of their own, screaming vitriol and abuse at a 22 year old, and probably not even sure why they're doing it. Certain players (McGoldrick springs to mind) are far dirtier and niggly, yet they don't get an ounce of the abuse Sam is taking.

As I said, if he goes to RU I'll be happy for him.

no it's not!

All this fuss over Tomkins trying to stop a try. Something most full backs do, it wasn't like he even kicked Clarke, but hit the ball, potentially dangerous maybe, but something you see many times.

No mention of briers spoiling for a fight though, quick enough to jump in where he wasn't needed.


Yes a trip is an automatic red.

A trip is not an automatic red

Apparently it no longer is, it was, however but certainly not after 2009. www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?705

Apparently it no longer is, it was, however but certainly not after 2009. www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?705

People know he brings some of it on himself but he does things that plenty other players do week in week out but nothing is said!!!
If Sam had run in to have a go at Briers the forums would be full of it! Other way round nothing said!

If Sam had gone to have a "chat" with the ref like Monaghan did, to nicely slow the game down then he would have been a cheat!
If Sam had spoken to Silverwood the way Briers did after walking the length of the field he would have been slated

Raynor hits Tomkins high with a fist its celebrated, Tomkins sticks 2 fingers up hes wanting banning for life!!

And in the words of mr briers before the weekends game :

Briers admits the 22-year-old badly let himself down with his two-fingered salute to Leeds fans but says this situation snowballed long before Wembley.

"I don't think it's all from his doing," said Briers. "He didn't do anything bad to start off the booing and now that's all escalated and everyone's jumped on the bandwagon of this Wembley gesture."

Has a side to that:
Yes Hock was incredibly stupid and will be banned, but as much as some Wigan fans need to take off their "cherry and white specs" many RL fans need to take off their anti Wigan specs!

I dont see many people condeming Harrison and Kings use of the Elbow!
God forbid Coley would have been offside deliberatley and put an high shot in for good measure!

Who would you sooner watch play rugby Sam or Ryan McGoldrick?

You will probably get quite a few who will say they prefer to watch McGoldrick, such is their hatred of the best player in the competition.

Ah but if he played for their team he'd be an angel.

No, it was changed a few years ago. God knows why.

It's more dangerous the the current fashionable offences the RFL have eyes on.

He actually did it twice really. Once when not holding him and one other time he bent him over his leg to put him onto the ground.

Both times "the,supposed, biggest d*ckhead and penalty milker in RL" did nothing he just got up and tried to play on.

It's not a trip if you've got hold of the player. You're atually allowed (in theory) to use your leg then. Although in practice the chances of doing so without being penalised for a dangerous throw are probably fairly low.

I'll let the rest of the rubbish in this thread go, but this slur needs addressing. Morley didn't flick the V's at anyone. He put his thumb up at a Warrington fan who had a banner which said "Mozza's number one fan" (he probably appreciated the support on his long-awaited return from a serious injury). This was then followed by howls from the Wigan fans who probably couldn't see this Warrington fan in their own end and just thought Morley was putting a sarcastic thumb up at them or something.

I don't know if I'm being thick here but wasn't the trip on Finch?

Did you not see Lima drilling his elbow into King's face, King was only trying to get him off to play the ball, Nothing in that at all.

King initially went in with his elbow first if you watched it again.

That seems to be the problem, its like the football/xfactor phenomenon. You keep getting told via the media that somethings great and everybody wants a piece of the action. Same with Sam, these so-called RL fans have jumped on board the anti Wigan/Sam bandwagon yet completeley forget the likes of McGoldrick, Bailey et al.
Does Sam have some silly antics? Of course he does but then again so did Edwards and Hanley. And Sams far more talent than Edwards ever had and could be as good as Hanley. Yet I fear that he may not in RL long enough to make legendary status and I for one won't give him any grief if he does go to RU.

Correct can see both getting a game ban for that.

Ok. King did nothing wrong. Lima should be up for a 6 game ban. Sam 4. Hock rest of his life. Balls to it give them all a ban for having the cheek to wear a Wigan shirt!