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| Quote ="sergeant pepper"What is going on then? Are they just inept instead?
If you don't think there's bias in the way everything operates, then you don't know people. Regardless of if you think it's true, or not, there's a lot of anti Wigan sentiment out there and it has to (even if it's subconsciously) transfer over to things like this.'"
I haven't read the explanation for the decision yet. I couldn't find it on the website.
I'll reserve judgement for now, but I definitely suspect there's some bias here.
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| Quote ="Pemps"But these are the first bans we've had. We've had charges but never bans. Saints have had bans, Leeds have had bans, Warrington have had bans, Catalan have had bans...'"
It's worthwhile saying that I get how my message looks. It's tin foil hat territory for sure.
I just can't get away from the question tho, if it isn't bias then what is it? Nonsensical rules? Are they just inept?
Maybe it's what NK said in his good response i.e Ellis has got more weeks as he's connected Vs the other guy missing? So, like he said, it's almost a judge in a boxing match scoring it on points etc. It could very well be that's the reason.
Like with most things RL, there seems to be this unwaivering approach to look at any explanation other than the guys don't like Wigan. I can't see why it's so far fetched to suggest it might be a factor? Especially when you've discounted every other reason.
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| I think it's just incompetence not bias.
Ellis deserves a ban. The other guy deserves a bigger ban. Simple for everyone to see.
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| We’ll find out it there’s bias the next time someone gets cited for throwing a punch, if he doesn’t get the 5 games it’s biased they’ve set the standard now and have to stick to it
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| Quote ="Cherry toffee"We’ll find out it there’s bias the next time someone gets cited for throwing a punch, if he doesn’t get the 5 games it’s biased they’ve set the standard now and have to stick to it'"
but hey did, one got 5 one got 3
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| But they’re hiding behind the retaliation argument with that, I’m referring to a straight comparison to Ellis’s punch
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| Quote ="Cherry toffee"But they’re hiding behind the retaliation argument with that, I’m referring to a straight comparison to Ellis’s punch'"
there is no argument, one went in with the elbow/forearm and threw punches, one threw punches....
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| I agree with you but they’re classing retaliation as the more serious offence to justify the decision, that’s why it’ll only be proved when another similar offence is committed
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| What the disciplinary seem to have ignored is the initial foul unless they feel forcibly putting a forearm into a players head whilst prone on the floor is not an offence.
Taken in isolation, Ellis threw the first punch and more/better punches overall and therefore gets a longer ban.
What baffles me is there wasn’t a separate charge for the initial foul which in the current the climate is worth at least 3 matches on its own.
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| Just seen the Will Pryce "tackle", if that doesn't get a higher grading than Ellis then I reckon the conspiracy theorists are correct
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| Quote ="apollosghost"Just seen the Will Pryce "tackle", if that doesn't get a higher grading than Ellis then I reckon the conspiracy theorists are correct'"
A career in the WWE awaits for young Pryce. It’s an absolute shocker and if we’re giving bans based on dangerous actions and they’re judged by the standards some of these other bans have been, we’ll be lucky to see him on the field for a few months.
In truth he’ll probably get a similar ban to Ellis though.
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Quote ="apollosghost"Just seen the Will Pryce "tackle", if that doesn't get a higher grading than Ellis then I reckon the conspiracy theorists are correct'"
He's been hit with a Grade F which is a mimimum 8 matches. Fully deserved too as it's one of the worst tackles I've ever seen.
https://twitter.com/Adam_Beasley8/statu ... 8kx7g&s=19
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He's been hit with a Grade F which is a mimimum 8 matches. Fully deserved too as it's one of the worst tackles I've ever seen.
https://twitter.com/Adam_Beasley8/statu ... 8kx7g&s=19
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| Controversial, but I don't think it's as bad as some are making out? I've seen more malicious and cheap shots in my time.
Obviously there's a duty of care and the tackle has ended up badly, but I'm not watching that and thinking that he's aimed to slam him on his head. He's almost ragdolled him with a mini judo hip toss and it's sent the tackler well over the horizontal. Seems like the momentum has made it a lot worse than it actually was.
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| I don't for one second think he set out to do him but the way the Hull player ended up was horrendous
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| Quote ="apollosghost"I don't for one second think he set out to do him but the way the Hull player ended up was horrendous'"
I think initially momentum carries him into a dangerous position I don't think there is any desire to put the carrier into the dangerous position. He does end up in a dangerous position though and I think it is the nature of which Pryce follows through with the tackle that will land him in bother. I guess he is going to claim he didn't realise that he had positioned the defender in such a way but I think it is the force with which he slams the player that is going to cost him a decent stretch on the side line.
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| I’ve not seen that until now. Thankfully the Hull player is ok which is the most important thing.
I don’t believe that was intended but I’ve not seen many worse outcomes than that.
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| Quote ="apollosghost"Just seen the Will Pryce "tackle", if that doesn't get a higher grading than Ellis then I reckon the conspiracy theorists are correct'"
10 games for him
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| Ellis failed in his appeal also
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| Quote ="Pieman"Ellis failed in his appeal also'"
Why wouldn't he. I mean, it's far better that RL's most celebrated and biggest fixture, on its most famous date, is compromised for the sake of a bunch of head master type g!mps who love getting their rocks off banning people.
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| Quote ="sergeant pepper"Why wouldn't he. I mean, it's far better that RL's most celebrated and biggest fixture, on its most famous date, is compromised for the sake of a bunch of head master type g!mps who love getting their rocks off banning people.'"
Of which one is Paul Cullen of course who piled into Andy Goodway from behind.
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| Quote ="MattyB"Of which one is Paul Cullen of course who piled into Andy Goodway from behind.'"
Yup, just like Barry McDermott telling us how we don't need biff in the game. That was literally all he brought to the table.
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| Quote ="MattyB"Of which one is Paul Cullen of course who piled into Andy Goodway from behind.'"
WW3! Goodway taking a slight detour to stand on the apparently unconscious Cullen's hand on his way to the tunnel after being sent off. Cullen doing his best Lazarus impression to rise and catch Goodway up in the tunnel. And Tony Barrow going berserk at him! Different times...
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| I thought the Price Junior wrestle thow was the worst thing since Cassidys Elbow
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| Quote ="Stanfax"WW3! Goodway taking a slight detour to stand on the apparently unconscious Cullen's hand on his way to the tunnel after being sent off. Cullen doing his best Lazarus impression to rise and catch Goodway up in the tunnel. And Tony Barrow going berserk at him! Different times...'"
I went to that match, scary times as a kid. Trying to get from Wilderspool back to the car unscathed was always a challenge.
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| Quote ="apollosghost"I don't for one second think he set out to do him but the way the Hull player ended up was horrendous'"
Unfortunately he does have previous for this sort of tackle. He was actually banned as an academy player for exactly this. I just hope he concentrates of what he's best at and puts this sort of thing behind him.
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