I've only seen Logan play once (on tv the other week), but he looks bloody promising. Carberry must be fantastic if he's better than Tomkins.

Carberry must be good then coz people were on here a few years back saying we aint seen nothing yet and Logan is by far the most promising of the three so I hope they were right because that would make this carberry guy amazing.

Logan still has a long way to go. He needs to sort out his distribution.

Seen Logan a few times at U20s now but nothing strikes me about him that makes me think hes the best tomkins as some make out!! Offers little more than Sam Gee did at present IMO. Sturdy but nothing special. Hope he will make it but hes massively overhyped currently due to his brothers.

Logan isn't as good as his brothers were at that age but hooker is probably a harder position to excel in. If you're a scooting hooker you stand out more but will be found out as one dimensional at the top level.
Logan isn't as average as some make out though, he wasn't great last year but he was a stand out player in the under 20's this year and as much as Carberry is getting high praise when both Tomkins and Carberry have been in the same side the team has looked noticeably worse when Tomkins was off the field, in fact Carberry's distribution has looked worse and Tomkins seems to be all round the more skilful player.
He does have to work on his distribution, the Widnes-Toulouse game highlighted that but his passing off the ground isn't consistently poor like McIlorum's was at an early age, he just has a tendency to throw some erratic passes. His vision seems to be excellent though, he has enough skill to make it and his defence and work rate is excellent.

I think that it was on the rumour thread that a poster hinted at Tommy not being here and following madge to the NRL but certainly nothing concrete,

Have a chat with Rogues about that.

Pat will be with us until the end of 2013......

A bit about it in this report, along with TL linked to Souths.

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It looks like Aussie League journos are even lazier than their UK colleagues. First Finch is linked, now Tommy, next week it'll be Sam and then Deacon.

They will go through the entire list of OOC players! Surprised they have not reported that they are trying to talk Radlinski out of retirement.

Tommy to Souths Luke to Wigan....I could live with that!

Lets be honest its the same article every time! They just change the name

Your not the only one.

Luke wasnt a patch on Tommy in the 4 Nations and New Zealand were noticibly weaker when Luke came on for Tommy.

Tommy is not a 9 despite all the hype. I agree he does show up well there every now and again, and has shone to be fair when used there for the Kiwi's but those performances are few and far between.

Luke is a natural hooker.

We badly miss a natural hooker, I think people are realising just how good Piggy was for us now he is gone and no natural replacement.

Hooker for me is the single most important player on the pitch, they have become the people that control the game over the halves. Without a natural hooker we often find ourselves without the field position we have found ourselves in, in the last 2 years with a natural controlling 9 at the helm.

If Noble had picked this team..................

I absolutely agree, a 9 has to be the priority along with a centre for next year, unless we can sign a organising 7 which would allow Tommy to play 9 full time. We need a strong piece of recruitment in one of those positions for next season along with a centre.

I totally agree that we need that sort of hooker but from what I have seen of Luke he is not that type of hooker either and is much more similar in play to someone like Tommy than a hooker like Riddell.

Never understand the bagging Tommy gets at 7, and all this he is a better 9 stuff comes from. I personally think he was shaping up very well as a 7 getting better every year (lets not forget he is still young despite how long he has been about). Would be happy for Tommy to see his career out as a 7 at Wigan, not at 9 though for me.

If we are going to play him at hooker long term, we may as well bring in a specialist hooker.

Quality hooker and centre are the priority for me the way I see the team being utilised ie with Tommy as our long term 7.

Perhaps in style (ie bursts from dummy half and bags of impact) but he leads his team round the field and sets up the plays like a natural hooker. This for me is what Tommy struggles at as a 9. We look lacking direction at times trying to set up filed position for a play coming 3 or 4 tackles down the line with both Tommy and McIllorum at 9. Something that seemed effortless with Piggy at 9, its as noticeable for me as when Newton left and was replaced with Higham.

thats spot on jon, you only have to look at how leeds dominated us at headingley a few week back. on paper we were the stronger side by some way but Buderas tore us apart, controlled the game and it nearly cost us. Wigan need a Danny Buderas. We get that we will continue to win trophies !!!

Out of contract this year.

New 2 year deal just announced.

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Good work IL.

Great news