In the name of wigan RLFC?
I know that's probably a slip of the tongue but I'd seriously reword that part of your post!

PS

Are you taking the bullying comment back yet?

I think there is a certain kind of fan who feels so honoured to be told anything by a player or a player's spokesmen that it never enters his head it may only be half the truth or even less than that, or that he might have been 'recruited' to put out a rumour in order to save the player's face.

FW's assertion is a case in point. It hinges entirely on his unquestioning belief that IL doesn't know what is going on under his nose in the club he rebuilt from top to bottom and packed with his own people, even though everyone else in the club apparently does. And FW's response when this position is queried - "IL doesn't know, that's all there is to it, you'll just have to accept it, etc" - is equally typical of that mindset; in other words, he can't face the possibility that he might have been duped.

The phrase 'don't believe everything you're told' is never more appropriate than when fans are hanging around players.

You are most likely, exactly right.

Do not take this the wrong way but you do not really know what we are talking about here. Most Wigan fans know what we are talking about when we mention a 3rd party. Nobody is going to mention who, none of us need to but none of us want to invite the problems that person brings. It may be difficult for you to comprehend but RL players can be silenced.

I have posted enough for the Wigan posters to know I say has some credence.

Last Son and Vectra are being bullied for simply posting something that a few regulars do not like. Whether you understand that is not my problem and what people post about what I say does not matter to me.

Forgive me for pointing thus out but no you haven't.

You've posted snippets of the rumours circulating round Wigan.
That does not mean they have any credence? It just means you know the rumours.

As an aside it's just struck me that it seems strange that none of these rumours were intimated too on any message boards until AFTER the Gaz hock loan deal and subsequent IL statement.

Seems strange to me that all those in the know weren't posting these ahem "Facts" previously?

Can some one PM with the alleged rumours going around I have not heard of any.

Good luck with that. Although if you do manage to get a solid answer from anyone then please do forward it on to me, because i am also completely in the dark!

Can the real third party stand up because i don't have a bloody clue who it is

Presumably, you heard the rumour from them? Just asking like.

Any chance you could please quote any evidence of bullying from posters on this thread as I've read through it all and failed to find any?

Thanks

To be honest, no-one is going to, because the rumours I've heard are extremely libelous. I'd be wary even of sending them in a pm, as that may still be classified as publishing them.

Last Son and Vectra have been challenged because both came on here professing to know what has gone on but refusing to say what or in any way give out any information - is it any wonder that they were not taken wholly seriously by some posters? It is sadly far too often that people come on here (just read the rumours thread for some classic examples) and say that know/have been told something but which later turns out to be inaccurate - so anyone saying they know about the Hock situation without giving any information is leaving themselves open to challenge.

As someone monitoring this thread with some interest I am still pretty much in the dark as to what has / has not / maybe has/ could have gone on (possibly not living in Wigan any more leaves me out of some of the more local rumours). Although some of the assertions do appear to be stretching credibility somewhat.

Until someone comes out with something concrete and more importantly verifiable I am going to take the clubs statement at face value and anything else as heresay until proven otherwise.

So they are too scared to tell IL, but not too scared to tell you?

Im sorry but I find that hard to fathom. And i really dont have a clue who this third party is. But it sounds to me a bit it could be Keyser Soze!

The entire White house management couldnt hide bill clinton getting a BJ off a member of his staff, but a employee of wigan rlfc can hide this from IL in a small town like wigan!

There is also the factor of their trashing the Wigan club. Regardless of what they actually think they are doing, or say they are doing - I can't fathom what their true motive might be - in spreading these unsubstantiated scurrilous stories they are damaging the club's name.

It is beyond naive for someone like FW to expect them not to be challenged on this, and to cry 'foul' when they are.

No they haven't. If they had warnings would have been given out. Questioning someone does not = bullying.

Please show the quotes and posts where this alleged bullying has taken place, or hit the report button on the offending posts which will then go directly to the mods only.

Its a disgrace, all of it.

Don't be so naive. I know what the allegations are and they can not be posted in an open forum. Do I believe them? I am not entirely convinced due to the extreme nature of what has allegedly gone on but when you are repeatedly told they can't be published in an open forum you have to decide if you value the opinion of those posting or not. And giving the information out in private is something to consider very carefully. Dishing it out to all and sundry to people you don't know is rather a risky thing to do so needs to be done with caution.



You can say that but I bet you are not. You will I am sure have a nagging doubt something is amiss. I do despite as I said the fact the extreme nature of the allegations because there are always two sides to every story and we have only heard one. Even if there were not these rumours hovering in the background I think anyone with a sense of reason will realise we have only heard one side of it but I suppose a lot fans tend to be very unquestioning when it comes to their club. If this were some high profile person dismissed from I don't know, a top media job or something, people would be far more questioning in the face of an apparent hatchet job from their former employer.

The problem is though when people make a statement that they feel they know what has gone on with a situation its far too easy for people to just dismiss a posters comments. Many people on these forums know each other personally but many don't know each other at all and can't possibly know anything about them, Who they are, what they do, the circles of people they know and who they mix with.

I know what I know from several different people form all sides of this situation and not just heard a rumour from a player as is assumed. I have heard what I believe to be the full story from what somebody described on here as a "Category A Source" and that information has been backed up and confirmed by various people connected directly to the situation (even people of a legal persuasion). That is why I have no intention of divulging any incriminating information. I agree slightly with Fylde Warrior that from my understanding it doesn't add up to IL knowing the facts as if he did I can't see how a certain senior member of staff could still be employed by the club.

I also know and can say quite confidently as others have that some of the parties involved have been involved in unsavoury incidents with the club before so their involvement in this instance and their avenue to the club still being present doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

If that is the case, there is no possibility this 'truth' will be kept from the top brass at Wigan RL.

We ought to draw a line under this now, and wait and see. If something happens, you'll be vindicated. If nothing happens, you'll realise that you didn't have the full facts.

This is exactly my point, I do believe I know the truth so its probably easy for me to say but even if I knew nothing there is still enough of a doubt in my mind to suggest that something is amiss, for somebody like Gaz Hock who is a wigan lads whos life has revolved around rugby to suddenly walk away from his home town club amidst suggestions of refusing to train etc. His Video interview at Widnes did not look like somebody who wanted to be there.

What makes you think IL is unaware of the rumours?

If Hock won't say anything on the matter which I am told he will most certainly not do, what would you expect IL to do? Given the situation IL has done the only thing he could do. Hock has done all the things listed in the press release and while some look a bit dubious a thing to beat him up with (asking for a pay rise) they certainly allow IL to justify his actions which I am sure he felt he had to do to the fans. The alternative would have been to sack Wane but based on what? What IL has been told by someone that Hock won't confirm? Under the circumstances Hock had to go but that doesn't mean IL is unaware of the rumours.

I agree with drawing a line under it, everybody has said their bit. I don't necassarily agree that if nothing happens I won't have had the full facts as you claim as it will just be another instance of something happening within the club that hasn't been made public, you and I both know there have been several instances of this happening and I'm not convinced the truth will ever be made public unles its in a book or something in 20-30 years. I think the outcome has been done in a way to end it in the interests of all involved.


I hope its not the conclusion as I wish the truth would come out but sadly in my opinion it won't, not with the people involved.

Do you reckon that there'd be a way back for Hock, were IL to be persuaded that your version of events is the correct one?

It was said by one poster repeatedly that IL was told this mystetious 3rd party was unknown to one of the conspirators and thatIL was not in the loop!