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| Thought Marshall, Mago, Wardle and Leeming were very good.
Wardle looks ready to claim the title of the top centre in SL.
Injuries and the Smith incident is a concern to loose Leeming in particular would be damaging.
Discipline is letting us down a bit in the pre season and round 1 need to fix that up ahead of next week.
Yesterday given the conditions the Penrith game was about the win and getting through unscathed with injuries.
50% of the job done.
Should Smith be banned (hopefully not) Peet has a big call to make.
I appreciate I’m in a minority in thinking this but I would go with Farrimond at 7. From what I’ve seen he’s a more controlling game managing 7 where as I see Rocky more in the 5/8th role occupied by French.
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| Agree with Mago, Leeming, Wardle, Marshall all having good games.
Mago probably had his best game for wigan. Played around around 15 mins first half and all the 2nd? This time last year he was getting pulled after 10 mins. He was out on his feet at the end but still taking the ball up from a scrum right at the end. Brilliant footwork for his assist to Bevan.
Ellis also had a very strong 1st half with some very strong carries.
Fingers crossed for Smith, I think there were mitigating factors but there's at least a 50/50 he'll get a ban.
I wonder why they kept Leeming on? He seemed pretty bad for the first mins after, but then scored a try - hopefully it shows it wasn't too serious and just needs managing now, but ankles are funny things to get right.
Last point - anyone know why Marshall got a penalty against him when he came away from the line in the 2nd half? He seemed to get caught off balance went flying got up and was tackled and the ref gave Cas the pen ?
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| Quote ="Big Steve"Agree with Mago, Leeming, Wardle, Marshall all having good games.
Mago probably had his best game for wigan. Played around around 15 mins first half and all the 2nd? This time last year he was getting pulled after 10 mins. He was out on his feet at the end but still taking the ball up from a scrum right at the end. Brilliant footwork for his assist to Bevan.
Ellis also had a very strong 1st half with some very strong carries.
Fingers crossed for Smith, I think there were mitigating factors but there's at least a 50/50 he'll get a ban.
I wonder why they kept Leeming on? He seemed pretty bad for the first mins after, but then scored a try - hopefully it shows it wasn't too serious and just needs managing now, but ankles are funny things to get right.
Last point - anyone know why Marshall got a penalty against him when he came away from the line in the 2nd half? He seemed to get caught off balance went flying got up and was tackled and the ref gave Cas the pen ?'"
Ref said he jumped into the tackle.
I think it was the right call although I’ve not seen it back.
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| I assumed Leeming was a bit of a dead leg (thigh) but I was at the game and not rewatched as yet.
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| Quote ="MattyB"I assumed Leeming was a bit of a dead leg (thigh) but I was at the game and not rewatched as yet.'"
It was definitely an ankle. He grimaced in pain but then seemed to run it off. He must've played around 10 minutes on it and despite whatever pain he may have been in he seemed to move freely on it for his try and in the minutes before.
I'm not an expert but could the protective boot and crutches be purely a precautionary measure to give him the best chance of making it to the WCC? Or at least until they get a proper diagnosis for it.
I may be being a bit optimistic with that but its the fact prior to being subbed he was running on it etc.
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| I really hope these injuries don’t spoil the season. We look on to a good one and I know it part and parcel of the game but I’m counting 6 players out (including Harvard and Juniour) in two games is just a joke.
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| Quote ="WWste"I really hope these injuries don’t spoil the season. We look on to a good one and I know it part and parcel of the game but I’m counting 6 players out (including Harvard and Juniour) in two games is just a joke.'"
We’ll be ok. None of the injuries are overly long term and the depth we have means there isn’t a major drop off. The one injury that could be a longer term worry is Thompson getting another head knock. He was having major issues with that but then obviously didn’t play much due to other injury problems. To get one in his first competitive game for the club is far from ideal.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"We’ll be ok. None of the injuries are overly long term and the depth we have means there isn’t a major drop off. The one injury that could be a longer term worry is Thompson getting another head knock. He was having major issues with that but then obviously didn’t play much due to other injury problems. To get one in his first competitive game for the club is far from ideal.'"
I hope the club have some clauses baked into his contract around the issue. Like you said he's got previous with it and whilst I don't think this stuff is as serious as people make out, the rules say he can't play. If he's getting these regularly (which he is) then I hope the right conversations will be had.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"We’ll be ok. None of the injuries are overly long term and the depth we have means there isn’t a major drop off. The one injury that could be a longer term worry is Thompson getting another head knock. He was having major issues with that but then obviously didn’t play much due to other injury problems. To get one in his first competitive game for the club is far from ideal.'"
I hope this is just a coincidence. It was a heavy knock he took from Byrne when you look at the injuries he copped - cut to the mouth, black eye, cut to the head. There is no doubt that he staggered slightly following the impact but it took a significant period for the medical team to remove him which I found bizarre. I think Luke would be better advised using some kind of head guard.
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| If it had been an innocuous challenge and Thompson had gone off with a concussion then it would be time to worry but that was a fair old crack he took there so give him a week or even two off and I reckon he'll be fine
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| Mago had one of his best games for the club last night. Put some minutes in too, probably about fifty overall. It's like having a new player, he'll definitely be up for it on Saturday.
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| He throws himself into every challenge on attack and defence. Something that made him stick out in his early days and last night he was class and i like to see it from a forward a Paleaaesina style run but it can cause these sorts of injuries. It’s a catch 22 really need them barnstorming runs that skittle players but 1 in 10 of those runs your going to come off second best. I’m sure the club will take care of Luke. Hopefully more is learned about head knocks and there are things we can do to combat them.
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| I would expect Leeming to be the backup half if Smith is banned (assuming Leeming is even fit) with Farrimond second choice and possibly on the bench.
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| If Keighran didn’t get banned for his tip tackle in the Hull preseason game, I don’t expect Smith to get banned.
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| Quote ="NSW"If Keighran didn’t get banned for his tip tackle in the Hull preseason game, I don’t expect Smith to get banned.'"
I watched the Keighran one on KPP in the GF earlier and that is worse than last nights and he got a game for that. I thought there looked nothing in the Smith one from the first angle, which was behind him but then they show the other angle and it looks a bit worse but Hooley ducks his head in toward the ground himself. I don’t know why players are doing that. Kev Brown was saying no player would do that to try and win a penalty but it just doesn’t seem natural.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"I watched the Keighran one on KPP in the GF earlier and that is worse than last nights and he got a game for that. I thought there looked nothing in the Smith one from the first angle, which was behind him but then they show the other angle and it looks a bit worse but Hooley ducks his head in toward the ground himself. I don’t know why players are doing that. Kev Brown was saying no player would do that to try and win a penalty but it just doesn’t seem natural.'"
I think he probably will get a 1-2 game ban but if anything saves him it will be the fact that Hooley ducks his head plus a pretty clean previous record (maybe even a spotless record - can't recall any previous charges).
Either way though domestic bans should not count for internationals (club or country). Its just shooting ourselves in the foot ala George Williams prior to last year's test series.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"I watched the Keighran one on KPP in the GF earlier and that is worse than last nights and he got a game for that. I thought there looked nothing in the Smith one from the first angle, which was behind him but then they show the other angle and it looks a bit worse but Hooley ducks his head in toward the ground himself. I don’t know why players are doing that. Kev Brown was saying no player would do that to try and win a penalty but it just doesn’t seem natural.'"
I like Kev Brown and he's an excellent pundit for the most part. He does have a tendency to say something ridiculous and then feel duty bound to back it up. It stupid to say no player would do that when it happens all the time! Welsby was always looking to do it in his early days. Possibly he judges other players by what he would do himself. Who knows? You only need to look at the angle of Hooley's head makes it clear he was looking for a penalty.
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| I just watched the game back and the Watts one could be seen both ways. Watts clearly has no intentions to wrap his arms Westerman lazily attempted to put an arm round. Dupree did appear to be a little stooped. Be interesting to read the match panels verdict on it. I think he’ll be seeing a couple of games for a shoulder charge. For me Smith should have seen red was no need for that tackle. He should get banned for a few games off the back of that. Cas then went on to play for every pen going.
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| I watched the Sky version back earlier, having watched on BBC in real-time. Not for the first when watching back, I thought the ref was pretty good. The ruck needs tidying up, and it's up to coaches and players to respond. Notable that Matty Peet had no complaints on that score. The only thing he might have done was send Smith off, tbh. I am not optimistic abut his chances. When will we know?
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| Quote ="moto748"I watched the Sky version back earlier, having watched on BBC in real-time. Not for the first when watching back, I thought the ref was pretty good. The ruck needs tidying up, and it's up to coaches and players to respond. Notable that Matty Peet had no complaints on that score. The only thing he might have done was send Smith off, tbh. I am not optimistic abut his chances. When will we know?'"
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| I think Smith will be ok and just cop a fine. Hooley 100% dips his head when he's tackled, I'd hope it wasn't in an attempt for punishment for Smith! I have read somewhere that the ref states in field that the 'attacker dips his head' also. If so, there's your defence.
Big blow with Thompson out, he was looking very good in his outings v Hull and Cas.
Mago goes strength to strength and Leeming could be a really shrewd signing.
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| Quote ="LewCharnock"I think Smith will be fine and just cop a fine. Hooley 100% dips his head when he's tackled, I'd hope it wasn't in an attempt for punishment for Smith! I have read somewhere that the ref states in field that the 'attacker dips his head' also. If so, there's your defence.
Big blow with Thompson out, he was looking very good in his outings v Hull and Cas.
Mago goes strength to strength and Leeming could be a really shrewd signing.'"
Fingers crossed. Watching the rugby league raw podcast, the guy on there is a Wire fan and he says Hooley should’ve been sin binned for it. He also says Smith should’ve been red carded, which then contradicts itself and makes no sense but at least it isn’t just Wigan fans seeing that Hooley ducks his head towards the ground. I’ve seen people trying to claim Smith drives Hooley in to the ground and that is absolute rubbish.
I think we can cope with the other potential absences but we’re done if Smith is banned unfortunately. He will form a massive part of the Wigan game plan and without that kicking game we just won’t have the control to give us a chance.
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| Quote ="LewCharnock"I think Smith will be fine and just cop a fine. Hooley 100% dips his head when he's tackled, I'd hope it wasn't in an attempt for punishment for Smith! I have read somewhere that the ref states in field that the 'attacker dips his head' also. If so, there's your defence.
Big blow with Thompson out, he was looking very good in his outings v Hull and Cas.
Mago goes strength to strength and Leeming could be a really shrewd signing.'"
Thompson was a weird one I thought his first drive think first carry in the game he was stunned by he seemed to look a bit dazed and the physio ran over. Then there was something about him getting caught with an elbow/knee which caused the bruise.
Mago and Byrne was our best props and the others were solid. He took 3-4 defenders on every carry and his fend and pass to set French up was class.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"I watched the Keighran one on KPP in the GF earlier and that is worse than last nights and he got a game for that. I thought there looked nothing in the Smith one from the first angle, which was behind him but then they show the other angle and it looks a bit worse but Hooley ducks his head in toward the ground himself. I don’t know why players are doing that. Kev Brown was saying no player would do that to try and win a penalty but it just doesn’t seem natural.'"
If you have ever been put in that position (and I have) then you often go into self presevation mode, you risk being dropped directly on your head with the potential for you neck and back to bend in the wrong direction, so you instinctively curl your head and back under so that you are put down in a more natural position, sometimes with a player holding on to you, you can still land on the back of the neck, but it is better than landing direct on your head and your neck/back bending in the wrong direction
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| Quote ="Warrior Winger"If you have ever been put in that position (and I have) then you often go into self presevation mode, you risk being dropped directly on your head with the potential for you neck and back to bend in the wrong direction, so you instinctively curl your head and back under so that you are put down in a more natural position, sometimes with a player holding on to you, you can still land on the back of the neck, but it is better than landing direct on your head and your neck/back bending in the wrong direction'"
That makes sense and is probably what Kev Brown is getting at. I still feel like it gives Harry Smith a fair defence though but we'll see how we go.
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