I do think Burgess will go well tbh. I don’t think it’ll be a really long term thing but he’s a motivator and I think he’ll get a tune out of them for a couple of years. The Holbrook appointment would’ve been amazing for both the short term and the longer term, so I can’t say I’m overly sad that didn’t come off.

I hope you are right. He should, at the very least, get us to have a competitive, aggressive pack. Currently our pack is "too nice" and easily dominated. We have absolute oxygen thieves like Dudson stealing a living with his 30 meters / 6 carries per game.

We are also unfit. Gassed after 60 mins.

Not to mention the mental fragility. If we go behind by 6 points our collective goes and the players collapse. There is not even an effective captain to rally the troops.

We have not beaten you or St Helens in 2 seasons. Not once.

One of our few top drawer players, Clark, has gone too. To be replaced by Dwyer. Dire times indeed.

Agreed, Holbrook would have had them as champions within 3 years IMO

We may as well surrender our title now
according to red vee.
Welsby > Field, Lomax > French*, Smith > Dodd**, Clark > Leeming, Mbye > Powell/ O’Neill.

He would. Our money bags owners should have offered him £millions to get the monkey off our back. No salary cap on coaches.

Begs the question - what was the strategy around the recruitment? We aimed for a tried, and tested, experienced, senior coach and came away with a rookie who currently does not possess the required coaching qualifications.


Only at Warrington.

King has completely turned it around whilst at Wigan. A huge success and massively exceeded expectations. Last year he looked sluggish, uninterested and ineffective. This year he has shown glimpses of some classic centre skill but his workrate and his contributions to yardage have been invaluable.

A huge shame that he has to leave as both him and Wigan would have been better off if he'd of stayed. Will be very interesting to see what version of Toby King Warrington will get - it will be very easy next year for King to feel disconnected as you know he would have preferred to stay.

I am sure he will go back and give his all.

He has a new coach to work under so I’m sure it will be a clean slate.

What I do get though reading between the lines in his interviews is his praise for Rads. I sure it is genuine, but I’m also confident it is a bit of a dig at Fitzpatrick who he is obviously going back to work with at Wire for the way he dealt with the rifts caused by Powell.

One thing he is now is so much fitter than at Wire. Looks a different lad on the pictures you see and it’s worked wonders. We can thank Wire for letting us having him for a year and helping us win a Grand Final and they can thank us for getting him fit.

Hold on a minute, what’s going on? I thought the monkey was your club crest

He was sluggish, uninterested and ineffective. Powell asked him to play in the reserves and he saw his . The rest is history. Perhaps you can see why a significant number of long standing Wire fans are a bit "meh" about his return. Now, if you were offering Wardle in exchange ....

Don't give Karl Fitzpatrick ideas.

I don't think he gas any idea of his own. I think he just looks at what we do and attempts to copy it.

I don't think Wigan have ever embarked on a naff, cringeworthy, high profile social media marketing campaign of ridiculing local rivals and then subsequently losing to them.

Was that the pie smash? Or the board that went round Wigan after the roosters game saying Wire were ready for Wigan

To be honest the pie smash was funny but both great ideas. Fitzpatrick should be in the marketing job for the RFL. Just maybe don’t give him full reign or a massive budget

He's just gone up even further in my estimation!

Got to say Wires71 has held his own manfully on this thread. And his avatar is still scary even now...

What a front row heh? Bygone times when RL was the best game in the world.

And Sanderson, Roberts and Gregory behind them, with Rathbone and Eccles ready to step in...

And that, right there, is what I love about this game.

I feel sorry for King having to return to that dysfunctional rabble of a club. However he can take comfort that he is being paid handsomely to be somewhere he really hates.

As for Georgie Boy - swim in your own sh*t you money grabbing leech.

I hope Warrington win zilch whilst he is at the club.

He doesnt have to come back, he could ask for a release and take less money and play for Wigan.

We won pretty much zilch with him before so wont make much difference.

Wire could choose to pay him off.

Yeah and reward him for his subordination and petulance. Id prefer we loaned him to Barrow and pay his wages.

He might prefer it there!

This is what's going to happen though isn't it? He's going to get loaned out to a club who Wire don't think is a threat to them. Huddersfield or Salford next year.