Got to take your chances though. Warringtons first try was the first one i have ever seen with downward pressure with your hand underneath the ball.

Shorrocks at 9. My god never again.

Some superb stuff in the second half after an incredibly flat 1st.

Never a try that Wire one. Yet another example of the joke that is sending it up with a decision attached.

I haven't watched the game back yet, did the sky team mention Thornley, Leuluai, Havard, Powell, Farrell, and Bateman all out injured and O'Neill suspended?
Or is it only other teams who are missing players?

Was Faz injured, or rested? I've not watched the game back too and haven't heard anything on why he didn't play.

Sure Peet said he was injured but there was a possibility he could have been ready to play

Usually wait until I've had chance to watch it back before commenting but a few thoughts from the match.

Cooper has great go forward. How Wire thought it a good idea to let him go at all, let alone early, I don't know. I'd have sacked Powell first! Glad they did though.

Halsall is ready. Play him.

Conversely Shorrocks is not a hooker and that experiment needs to stop. Even with 3 better hookers sidelined we still had a better one available in Cust. It was chalk and cheese when he went to 9.

Good god, we're an attractive side to watch when we play on the front foot! With 7 players out we still looked a threat from anywhere on the field. The turnaround from last year is incredible.

When other teams make a break from their own half you just know Field is going to get them. Has he missed one of those one on ones yet? I can't remember any.

French is a special talent. I'll be sad to see him go if that is Indeed the case. Absolute joy to watch again this season as he was in 2020. Let's send him out with a GF win!

Marshall is an unsung hero. Never less than 100% attitude and, if 101% was possible he'd find the extra 1% from somewhere.

Great night in hospitality. First time I've done it and I can thoroughly recommend it!

As they introduced the team just before the players ran out Carney said ‘Wigan have named a really strong team’ although they do have a couple of absences. All the talk was that we shouldn’t have a problem winning the game and were huge favourites but hardly any mention of half a team being out.

I can understand it, we don’t make excuses like some other clubs, so if you don’t moan about it, they’re not going to make a massive issue of it. The lads coming in are doing a fine job. I thought Isa had his best game in a while last night for one.

No they didn't mention it. Not going to though are they, they didnt mention when we played with practically a youth tam for a couple of seasons either. Only Saints have injuries. I feel better for reading Redvee this morning though, one poster has re-iterated that after last night the only way Saints can't win the GF is if 'They lose it' clever bunch over there. The only reason we didn't win it 2 years ago is 'because we lost it' but iv'e known about sport having a winner and a loser since i was about 3 years old. It's a shame on them really, they are still trying to grasp how the wheel works.

I visited that site this morn someone of no note stated even if Dodds was missing and if they got Percival and Makinson back they would have no problems beating us, CC semi sprang to mind.

So much delusion and so many excuses come from the Stains collection.

Isa had a good game last night.

Singleton made some good yards too

Both don’t usually get mentioned

Listening to him on Sky, he actually gives the try rather than follow the onfield decision. Terrible call.

I'll agree with Isa, he played well last night. Not sure if he's worth a spot as the 4th choice back row tho? Especially if you factor in us losing Nicholson & McDonnell, as they need more game time.

Didn't see a problem with the try myself. Haven't seen a clear replay of it though.

How bias is this Saints fan
I’m not sure it’s solely down to Cooper and Powell ‘not getting on’. Cooper clearly was undermining the dressing room and what they are trying to change beyond this season, this season is clearly gone.
I don’t see why anyone worries about this Wigan team. They have scored over two thirds of their tries from the three players who are yet to be injured, this could easily change as we know first hand with our back three. Then I look through their team and I see nothing their forwards could do that’s ours can’t do twice as well. We don’t win four in a row this season because we lose it, it’s as simple as that. No team in the league is better than us and that includes missing Dodd and Grace. Get a few back from niggles and suspension and we’ll be fine

Could've sworn French missed the first couple of months, add on he's missed two pre-seasons, he'd probably be on 30 tries already if he'd started the season

Singleton was great but you have to question where was in 2021 . Look what he's capable of when he runs the ball in with some intensity and drives the legs forward after contact.

By the current rules of the game it was a try because the ref sent it up as a try and there certainly wasn’t enough evidence to overturn that decision.

In reality, he probably lost control of the ball but there wasn’t a camera angle to show separation. It’s a very close call that will divide opinion.

I think separation when the ball hits the ground is the key issue. When I speak to my dad about some of these contentious trys he keeps using phrases like control and downward pressure. I don't think either of those really matter in the modern interpretations - if a part of the hand/arm is in contact with the ball upon contact with the ground it will be given (particularly on a VR slow motion replay).

The rule is:

Grounding the Ball a) Placing the ball on the ground with hand or hands, or b) Exerting downward pressure on the ball with hand or arm, the ball itself being on the ground, or c) Dropping on the ball and covering it with part of the body above the waist and below the neck, the ball itself being on the ground.

The NRL interpretation:

Grounding the Ball includes:

a. Placing the ball on the ground with hand or hands, wrist or forearm

b. Exerting a downward pressure on the ball in contact with the ground

c. Dropping on the ball and covering it with the front part of the body above the waist and below the neck.

Singleton for me is the cornerstone of the pack.

I don’t get the grief he gets as a player.

Week in week out he does the stuff others don’t as a front rower.

He puts his head where others don’t and won’t and in reality until recently has only been supported in doing this kind of thing effectively by Smithies who is still a very junior player.

We now have Cooper who is a real “dark arts” style prop so he’s not doing it on his own and I think he will only get better with that type of support.

His off loading is on another planet, almost like having a basketball player in the team, pretty sure that Warrington had 4 players on him at one stage and he still managed an accurate pass.

For me, he gets in the England side…I can’t think of another player who can do what he can do and the option to cover at Centre too.

Not in the side for me, too green as a secondrow and lacks a bit of athleticism at centre definitely worth a wild card place in the squad though and in years to come he is going to be a nailed on starter.

Got his game together over the last couple of weeks since he was called into the office by Peet.

Do we reckon silva will get a run out soon?