We lost that game through missing two conversions. Hankinson nailed his, Makinson missed two.

And you wonder why opposition fans don't give you credit? You haven't acknowledged or accepted a single point any of us has made. Are you actually saying they aren't true?

No, you lost it because you didn't dominate Toulouse in the way you're used to. That is due to not having Walmsley put you on the front foot. You've missed kicks before and still won. If you truly can't see the difference a world class player like Walmsley makes then there's little point discussing this.

You might not like it but the standard of the other sides is diabolical. We finished 4th last year, 4th! We were embarrassing and scored less points on average per game than Leigh and a similar amount to the worst top flight side I can recall in Workington 25 years ago. That sums the comp up.

Saints shouldn’t take offence to the fact they’re dominating an English top flight that is at its weakest I can ever remember, in fact they should feel huge pride in having their standards so high whilst other clubs limp along and I’ll give them huge credit for helping raise standards should another club/s get their backsides in gear and actually challenge them.

I give Saints huge credit for many things. I’ve fought the corner of a guy like Morgan Knowles on here and feel I’m pretty fair but I can’t sit here and lie and say you’re beating much. If that’s not giving you the credit you deserve, feel free to call it that, but I just call it speaking the truth.

Didn't Wigan win it seven times in a row or was it only six.

I admire you for coming in here and speaking up for your club. Let’s face it, we’d do the same and we wouldn’t like to hear things said that may take a gloss off some great achievements either.

You have to have it straight though. Nobody is questioning refereeing decisions and we’re talking about an injury ‘crisis’ you’ve not had to face, not just single injuries here and there. The quality of the league is dire on the whole as well but that isn’t criticising the quality of Saints. They’re a top quality outfit but it’s all relevant and the challenge they’re being given from across the game is very poor. That’s not Saints problem though, that’s our problem and the other clubs and the fact nobody looks able to get near you, when your game plan isn’t rocket science is something all the clubs should feel pretty embarrassed about.

At least you've come on, our resident Saints troll, W/W'69 has been noticeable by his absence this weekend

Looking at the way Woolfe, and to a certain extent Holbrook, manage their injuries, it is probably part of the reason why they haven't had any injury crisis in the last few years. Any time there is what is perceived as a weak fixture, players are missing. Injured say Saints, rested says everybody else. In truth it is probably players with niggles etc that are rested. That way niggles don't become injuries. Perhaps other clubs should learn. Losing a couple of times to the likes of London, did little to affect the outcome of the Grand Final.

If other clubs follow the Woolf playbook we might have to cancel that mid season England fixture, as England will have half a team and we’ll have nobody to play.

Some clubs don't have the luxury of resting players with niggles because when you're already missing 6, 7 or 8 players and playing players out of position you can't make many more changes.

They'd practically already won it before the break

Wasn't the break the same for everyone anyway? I'm not sure how that makes it an uneven comp. Only if Liverpool got a break and others didn't would it be equivalent.

I know you know Rogues but for those that don't recall it was seven times in a row. However, that also included four doubles, two trebles (WCC). Oh and I have not added three years we won the Premiership (1992, 1994 1nd 1995) and the Lancashire Cup 1993. I remember all the loving and respect from opposition fans do you?

It's this from Stu, who to be fair is generally a good poster, that makes me laugh. He's here saying they don't get the credit they deserve but thinks nothing of posting:

What about when Wigan dominated all those years? They were the only full time team then so hardly a fair competition. Now that the playing field is level, they haven't dominated in the same way.

In other words "it's an unfair comp when Wigan take an advantage but a level playing field when Saints do".

They can't have it both ways.

So what advantage do we have in a salary capped sport?

My point about Wigan was that they were the only full time club in the game (maybe Leeds were as well if I recall) playing against part-time players who trained twice a week whilst working full-time.

Quite a big advantage I'd say. Not to mention the cash to pay record fees for the likes of Offiah at the time.

Leeds were the first team to go full time followed by Wigan and Widnes. Saints weren't officialy full time but didn't have many players with jobs, certainly the Aussies and Kiwis didn't. like someone posted earlier we had won plenty before then.

You didn't even play the same number of games! Exactly how much of an advantage do you want before you recognise it as an advantage?

And, just for the record Stu, what advantage did Wigan have that was denied to Saints? They could have gone fully professional too if they'd wanted. Other teams did.

Sorry, which of our 3 consecutive GF winning years are you referring to?

Correct. However that doesn't mean everyone could afford to. Theoretically every SL team can spend the same salary cap but not every team spends up to the maximum.

utter myth

Think your missing the point, unless you start the season with 6,7, or 8 players missing. With good conditioning and resting a player/players with niggles, you wouldn't end up with that many injured. Unless your very unlucky, or have a pack that is getting battered every week. In which case it's down to poor recruitment. Using Warrington as an example, pretty good backs but a lightweight pack. I'm convinced several have been playing injured, probably trying to stem a run of poor performances. Trouble is it tends to more long term absence.

or he just played the covid card...again

Are you saying St Helens couldn't afford to? So when did you go professional and how come you could afford to then? Secondly how could you afford to pay Australian players top dollar but couldn't afford to put a few part timers on full time pay? Lastly how could Leeds, Wigan and Widnes afford it but the mighty Saints couldn't?

Wigan went pro in 94 so your theory that we won because we was professional flies out the window some what.
I think Stains spent a fortune on Newlove,Oconner,Vautin, etc.Rugby League is over a century old (it didnt start 26 yrs ago)