Just give him a bottle of Loch Lomands and send him on his way ffs.

It’s time to vote with our feet.

If Lam is still there against Leeds we need to stay away.

I hate saying it but I completely agree. Alongside Lam, Radlinski must go. The whole coaching team (I’d keep Peet and Goulding) should also go. I’m not sure what Tom Fitzpatrick is doing as S&C coach but we don’t look fitter or stronger than any side in the comp. I’d even argue we didn’t look as fit or strong as York in the Cup.

The points NK and jonh make are spot on. We’ve lost that ruthless culture to succeed. You hear it on podcasts from SW all the time that if he felt a player (or staff member) wasn’t up to it, they were gone. No hesitations or sentimentality which is ironically exactly what we’re showing Lam. There’s a long list of players and coaching staff and general staff that need to go. I just don’t believe in anyway IFL will pull all those plugs, I barely believe he’ll pull Lams plug.

The drop in standards from where we were a mere 3seasons ago is astounding as it is depressing. It’s not on, it’s not acceptable and it cannot continue. We’re f*****g Wigan. We demand better from everyone.

Here we go again. blame the foreman and not the boss!

If the boss cannot provide the correct staff for the Foreman to work with, what chance has the Foreman got in producing better made products.

Or is it a case that the Boss cannot afford to get a better Foreman?

Ask everyone at the start of the last 3 season were wigan would finish and they said Top 3
That absolutely shows he has the tools to work with

I know you want rads and IL booted out, but to try and defelct every little thing onto them his laughable.

There have been some issues with recruitment, but please don't tell me Lam is getting the best out of these lot.

10 good (maybe a couple of those were very good) out of say 80 games in charge is pathetic.

Correct

I agree with all of that except Paul Johnson left the club at the end of last year.

Plenty of effort but no go forward, no idea in attack, no kick chase, ill-discipline. Other than that all seems well.

I realise that Lam has to try and talk things up but he is in dreamland if he seriously thinks Wigan can still put a decent end of season run-in together.

I was going to make a long post but half-way through I realised it was just depressing me, no more needs to be said. Like a lot of very long term fans I suspect the interest and feeling for the club are fading with every increasingly inept "performance" and lack of direction from the top down.

I really fear what will happen in the next game. Keep playing like this and the team are going to get a real hiding soon - if Saints were half the team they were under Holbrook they would have run up 50+

You’re right, apologies. Corrected

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... ssion=true Tough to read but absolutely bang on.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... ssion=true Tough to read but absolutely bang on.

The other week he was touting us as Grand Finalists. The only thing he’s missed off there (or avoided completely) is the common denominator- Adrian Lam.

The only thing I’d disagree with in that article is him bagging the attendance last night. I thought 16,300 was a fine effort all things considered and it’s encouraging that there’s enough people in this town who do care enough to turn out and watch this dross in the current climate. We probably had about 12,500-13,000 Wiganers in there last night and outside of Good Friday games, we wouldn’t do much more than that in normal times.

I actually thought the club did a good job of the pre match entertainment last night. I thought the build up to the game was good

He is jumping about from one extreme to the other with Wigan, probably to get clicks in fairness. Things are never as bad as they seem but they need to get recruitment spot on this time and they need to get the coaching appointment right.

In times like this everything is magnified and everyone is under pressure and being called out but it’s a knock on effect both ways. The effect of having Lam as coach is that he gets nowhere near the best from any player, the frustration grows, the experienced heads get called out, the young lads get accused of not being good enough, the fans go in to uproar, the crowds drop and pressure comes on the management. On the flip side appoint a good coach and he gets the best from his players, the older heads lead the way, the young lads find it easier and improve, kids who come in find it easier, the fans are buzzing, the crowds increase and nobody talks about the management.

We’re a good coaching appointment and a few good signings away from being where we want to be again. What I’d like to see is us not trying to be clever next season with Wane as some sort of Rugby Director, just bring him back as head coach and give him free reign. Rads needs to tell himself that he’s better served having business lunches with the guys from whisky and tyre companies and let Wane run the rugby side but as head coach. He can do the recruitment side if things in that role and delegate things to guys like Lockers and Peet but let’s not blur the lines by having everyone guessing who is actually top man.

In 2018 I was over joyed Wane was leaving. I’d been calling (on/off) for him to go for months before that IIRC.

Never have I been so wrong or so blinded. Since he left listening to his podcast interviews he’s completely changed what I thought. The only thing that drove him was success in every department from the kit man to the players - and everyone had to buy into it. I’d have Shaun Wane back in charge in a heartbeat but part of me also thinks it’s been and gone. We need refreshing, a clean slate across the board.

The only thing I’m 100% certain of is that if required I’ll chip in for Adrian Lam’s flight home.

I had a couple of silly moments calling for Wane to go (after a thumping away at Catalans I recall once but I was sat lashed on the coach outside the ground) but what a job he did. He had every issue Lam has faced (poor recruitment in the front row, good players leaving and constant injury problems) but other than the odd blip, you knew watch what we were trying to achieve, how we wanted to play and you knew this time of the year was go time and the players would fire up.

I can only imagine how embarrassed he must’ve been with that last night.

Do you? I thought it was poor. The sound from the band was awful, muffled noise.

The best part about last night was 'Sweet Caroline' where for a brief moment in time the Wigan fans and Saints fans sang together in unison. I enjoyed that.

If Lam is still in charge against Leeds and if we lose then i am done with the club until Lam goes. We simply cant carry on with him in charge

I can’t blame Lam. He’s like the Skipper of a 5* cruise ship, but powered by an outboard engine, and a time served carpenter supplied with a butter knife.
The person/a responsible for recruitment, is the person/s responsible for the current demise.
Packs win games, backs control by how much.

The same people who have assembled 4 GF winning squads, more youth development through the system in the last 10/12 years than you'll probably ever produce and a 4th WCC

Thanks for your input but I think ill trust my own judgements

Lam is getting no more 50% of the best his players.

Whilst I agree, we had nothing at all in attack. Getting Wane in would make some immediate gains:-

1. In defence we would move up as a defensive line, and try and force the error, rather than letting the opposition come to us, thus gaining 10m every play.
2. In attack we would run onto the ball. At the moment we are passing it too far back and receiving it flat footed, being easy to smother as an advancing defensive line, and struggling to make any meters on any set.

basic coaching, no more no less.

No surprise that Lam is still in charge. I just can’t fathom why he hasn’t been sacked. What are we waiting for? If Leeds do us on Wednesday and we don’t score again (in either half) what possible reason is there for him to still be in a job come Thursday? Absolute joke.

My only thinking is that this season is now a write off and changing the coach will have little impact and might mess his plans up for 2022.

Long term he's probably thinking it's probably better just to wait. If I was Peet, I'd prefer to wait 5 weeks and then start. He'd be on a hiding to nothing if he took over now Vs having a preseason to build up confidence + new signings.

IL should have pulled the trigger months ago. He's not and now there's little point.

Sadly I think you are right