|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 15457 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2005 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Dec 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Think we're all making big guesses about things we don't really understand if we're honest. The fact we see so few instances of players medically retiring should tell us that it's not that easy to do. Wigan are hardly in the unique situation of having a crock under contract.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 5193 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2006 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2024 | Mar 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Hopefully Burgess retires as does Clubb and we use that money to buy a couple of decent props. For some reason we cannot seem to recruit established props and why do we keep signing Clubb up? He's 4 years past his use by date, he wouldn't get in the St Pats team.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 421 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2003 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Oct 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Grimmy"We let these guys forgo further education, or getting skills and experience in a career, give them a short term contract in the knowledge that we'll wash our hands of them at the end of it if they lose form or get injured. I don't think it's unfair of him to see out his contract when he's given up all that. He presumably has a family to provide for and a lot of these guys don't have a lot of job opportunities beyond rugby. He's trying to get fit and be a good player for Wigan, that is doing the decent thing too. These aren't just pieces of meat who exist solely for our entertainment.'"
There's nothing to stop players getting an education alongside their playing career. I know it's Union, but Jamie Roberts notably trained as a doctor while playing, which is perhaps among the most labour intensive forms of education out there. I think Liam Colbon got a degree while he was with us. Even if training is 4 hours a day (which I doubt), that would still leave ample time to study part-time.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 5392 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 1970 | Jun 2022 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Jukesays"Oooohh ooh ooh!
I think 8 know the answer to this one
Is it "None"?
(Just like he had no proof that all the staff at leigh knew they'd got un SL before either was announced, when corrected never to be seen on that thread again.)'"
Instead of just spending your life swiping at what others say, what is your constructive opinion on the club signing Burgess?
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 5392 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 1970 | Jun 2022 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="The pieman"what proof have you got of this?'"
What proof is needed for something so obvious!
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 5392 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 1970 | Jun 2022 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Burgess had and passed a medical before he signed for Wigan.'"
By whom?
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 4722 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2010 | 15 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Dec 2024 | Sep 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Levrier"i wonder if it is like getting insurance if you live on a floodplain or near to a volcano where you are covered for everything except that specific risk. So if George drowns or is hit by a lava bomb then no problem.'"
but would ned to be fully insured to play the game, quite sure its part of the club, sure maybe the premiums go up but he will need that cover
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 32361 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2002 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Dec 2024 | Dec 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Ruddy Duck"By whom?'"
He had and passed a medical in Australia, a process that is quite normal for players playing "down under" and coming to play over here.
btw so did John Bateman.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 32361 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2002 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Dec 2024 | Dec 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Here's what I expect will happen.
George Burgess will retire on medical grounds. Nice words will be said by all parties involved but there will be a non disclosure clause in his contract release, again something that is quite common in these type of circumstances.
edit :- There may be some indication when the accounts for the year are published, which could be in one or two years time.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 5392 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 1970 | Jun 2022 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Here's what I expect will happen.
George Burgess will retire on medical grounds. Nice words will be said by all parties involved but there will be a non disclosure clause in his contract release, again something that is quite common in these type of circumstances.
edit :- There may be some indication when the accounts for the year are published, which could be in one or two years time.'"
If that happens and i have no reason to doubt it would, does his salary count Vs the cap?
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 4722 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2010 | 15 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Dec 2024 | Sep 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="sergeant pepper"If that happens and i have no reason to doubt it would, does his salary count Vs the cap?'"
it wouldnt in the NRL, I dont know if the RFL have the same rule
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 32361 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2002 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Dec 2024 | Dec 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 29800 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Nov 2004 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| I couldn’t for the life of me see why his salary would still count on the cap. If he does retire, it’s clearly not a tactic to just get him off the books and create space to sign other players. Anybody making a decision only needs to look at the horrendous physical shape he looked in last season. The guy wasn’t only not fit enough to play the sport, he was visibly in pain walking from the bench to the field. Rads has stated its effecting his every day life and that clearly is the case watching him limp around.
The one thing I forget in all this sometimes is just how sad it is that us and superleague hasn’t seen George Burgess at his best. You get clowns like LeBron Curry on the wind up about the situation but this is a guy who is one of the best props this country had produced when he was hitting the heights and was fully fit. What he did at Souths as an kid was staggering and you always want to see a British player of that level play at least a few seasons at his best in this comp. Whatever state he can get himself in won’t be good enough to ever get back to his best sadly and the whole league has been robbed a little when you consider that.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 20471 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2003 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="NickyKiss"I couldn’t for the life of me see why his salary would still count on the cap. If he does retire, it’s clearly not a tactic to just get him off the books and create space to sign other players. Anybody making a decision only needs to look at the horrendous physical shape he looked in last season. The guy wasn’t only not fit enough to play the sport, he was visibly in pain walking from the bench to the field. Rads has stated its effecting his every day life and that clearly is the case watching him limp around.
The one thing I forget in all this sometimes is just how sad it is that us and superleague hasn’t seen George Burgess at his best. You get clowns like LeBron Curry on the wind up about the situation but this is a guy who is one of the best props this country had produced when he was hitting the heights and was fully fit. What he did at Souths as an kid was staggering and you always want to see a British player of that level play at least a few seasons at his best in this comp. Whatever state he can get himself in won’t be good enough to ever get back to his best sadly and the whole league has been robbed a little when you consider that.'"
You're right with all that, unfortunately it's highly likely that he will go down as one of our worst signings ever (if not the most), especially considering the hype and salary.
On a lesser scale I'm thinking Luke Davico who lasted about two minutes against Salford IIRC.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 15457 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2005 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Dec 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="adi"There's nothing to stop players getting an education alongside their playing career. I know it's Union, but Jamie Roberts notably trained as a doctor while playing, which is perhaps among the most labour intensive forms of education out there. I think Liam Colbon got a degree while he was with us. Even if training is 4 hours a day (which I doubt), that would still leave ample time to study part-time.'"
The people you mention are the exception, not the norm. It's not stopping them, but it makes it harder and far less likely. How many people in their mid 30s find themselves unemployed with no qualifications or work history? Yet that's where the majority of players find themselves when they retire. They make that choice but it would be naive not to realise they're sacrificing a lot.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 421 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2003 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Oct 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Grimmy"The people you mention are the exception, not the norm. It's not stopping them, but it makes it harder and far less likely. How many people in their mid 30s find themselves unemployed with no qualifications or work history? Yet that's where the majority of players find themselves when they retire. They make that choice but it would be naive not to realise they're sacrificing a lot.'"
Martin Corry is another. Got a degree and is now a Vice President at Salesforce or something like that. Rugby players, and especially Rugby League players, have to think beyond their playing career because the earnings aren't enough to live off for the rest of your life. I think Owen Farrell got a degree last year too.
The fact that you're a known figure will open many doors for you, but you've still got to have a bit of something about you to back it up.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 29800 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Nov 2004 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="MattyB"You're right with all that, unfortunately it's highly likely that he will go down as one of our worst signings ever (if not the most), especially considering the hype and salary.
On a lesser scale I'm thinking Luke Davico who lasted about two minutes against Salford IIRC.'"
Yeah I was at that Davico game. The Burgess one will top that comfortably when all comes to all due to his profile and salary and also as it seems to have been a known issue we’ve signed him with.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 15457 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2005 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Dec 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="adi"Martin Corry is another. Got a degree and is now a Vice President at Salesforce or something like that. Rugby players, and especially Rugby League players, have to think beyond their playing career because the earnings aren't enough to live off for the rest of your life. I think Owen Farrell got a degree last year too.
The fact that you're a known figure will open many doors for you, but you've still got to have a bit of something about you to back it up.'"
Again, the exception not the norm. I'm not saying no rugby players managed to get qualifications or work experience, but it makes it a lot less likely.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 421 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2003 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Oct 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
Quote ="Grimmy"Again, the exception not the norm. I'm not saying no rugby players managed to get qualifications or work experience, but it makes it a lot less likely.'"
For sure, I'm not saying it's common, just that there's no reason why it couldn't be. As Peacock says in the article below, the workload, especially during the season, isn't "that" heavy.
https://admiralgrooming.co.uk/rugby-league/
|
|
Quote ="Grimmy"Again, the exception not the norm. I'm not saying no rugby players managed to get qualifications or work experience, but it makes it a lot less likely.'"
For sure, I'm not saying it's common, just that there's no reason why it couldn't be. As Peacock says in the article below, the workload, especially during the season, isn't "that" heavy.
https://admiralgrooming.co.uk/rugby-league/
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 15457 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2005 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Dec 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
Quote ="adi"For sure, I'm not saying it's common, just that there's no reason why it couldn't be. As Peacock says in the article below, the workload, especially during the season, isn't "that" heavy.
https://admiralgrooming.co.uk/rugby-league/'"
That's not really what I take from that article, if you're doing less weight training and more recovery, cardio, meetings, video sessions etc it doesn't mean any less in terms of time. You're also not going to be able to spend the extra time doing an apprenticeship in a manual trade, for example, for fear of fatigue or injury. Look at Ryan Shaw, he just turned down going full time with Leigh because he wanted to continue his apprenticeship. I'm sure if it were so simple he would have taken the full time contract and done the apprenticeship at the same time rather than leave for a part time contract at Barrow.
Besides that, how does that make it easier for G.Burgess to walk away from a marquee contract? Regardless of whether he theoretically could have gained qualifications or work experience (I still maintain that it's a lot harder and less likely for a professional rugby player to do that) the chances are that he hasn't, because he's been focused on rugby.
|
|
Quote ="adi"For sure, I'm not saying it's common, just that there's no reason why it couldn't be. As Peacock says in the article below, the workload, especially during the season, isn't "that" heavy.
https://admiralgrooming.co.uk/rugby-league/'"
That's not really what I take from that article, if you're doing less weight training and more recovery, cardio, meetings, video sessions etc it doesn't mean any less in terms of time. You're also not going to be able to spend the extra time doing an apprenticeship in a manual trade, for example, for fear of fatigue or injury. Look at Ryan Shaw, he just turned down going full time with Leigh because he wanted to continue his apprenticeship. I'm sure if it were so simple he would have taken the full time contract and done the apprenticeship at the same time rather than leave for a part time contract at Barrow.
Besides that, how does that make it easier for G.Burgess to walk away from a marquee contract? Regardless of whether he theoretically could have gained qualifications or work experience (I still maintain that it's a lot harder and less likely for a professional rugby player to do that) the chances are that he hasn't, because he's been focused on rugby.
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 5392 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 1970 | Jun 2022 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
Thanks.
If (& it's a big if), I've interpreted that right then he wouldn't count Vs the cap.
|
|
Thanks.
If (& it's a big if), I've interpreted that right then he wouldn't count Vs the cap.
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 5392 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 1970 | Jun 2022 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"He had and passed a medical in Australia, a process that is quite normal for players playing "down under" and coming to play over here.
btw so did John Bateman.'"
Thank you for taking the time to answer my question, but surely any player, like in football should have a medical at the club who intend to sign them.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 4470 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2013 | 12 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2024 | Oct 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Ruddy Duck"Thank you for taking the time to answer my question, but surely any player, like in football should have a medical at the club who intend to sign them.'"
Surely you can't be that thick?
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 421 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2003 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Oct 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Grimmy"That's not really what I take from that article, if you're doing less weight training and more recovery, cardio, meetings, video sessions etc it doesn't mean any less in terms of time. You're also not going to be able to spend the extra time doing an apprenticeship in a manual trade, for example, for fear of fatigue or injury. Look at Ryan Shaw, he just turned down going full time with Leigh because he wanted to continue his apprenticeship. I'm sure if it were so simple he would have taken the full time contract and done the apprenticeship at the same time rather than leave for a part time contract at Barrow.
Besides that, how does that make it easier for G.Burgess to walk away from a marquee contract? Regardless of whether he theoretically could have gained qualifications or work experience (I still maintain that it's a lot harder and less likely for a professional rugby player to do that) the chances are that he hasn't, because he's been focused on rugby.'"
I don't blame Burgess for honouring his contract, as that's the rational thing to do. Just saying that given the nature of the sport, it's equally logical for players to have a plan B at hand so there isn't such a cliff edge if/when their playing career ends.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 4470 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2013 | 12 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2024 | Oct 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Burgess has a fashion line with his brothers
|
|
|
|
|