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| Congrats to Saints,both sides gave it their all had to be one side that lost.
Onwards we go.
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| Quote ="Brick with eyes"I’ve always said Smithies will cost us a big game sooner or later with his stupid penalties. Tonight was the night , absolutely no need to put the shoulder in . I fail to see what he offers to be honest
The pen against Hastings was harsh and the decision to go for two at the end was plain wrong
Saints were never on side all night but neither were we to be honest
We were getting the ball out wide well but Bibby bombed a few chances before he grabbed his try. It was crying out for a change , we should have put Zak full back , Bibby centre and French on the wing . French showed tonight why he doesn’t play NRL against defences like that week in week out .
Tommy had a good game . Powell was unusually quiet in attack .
Gildart played well and I thought Partington was outstanding . Greenwood didn’t looked too bothered , a waste of space at times. Isa has been great all season and hit anything that moved tonight
Saints defended fiercely and rode their luck a couple of times . The game really could gone either way but what a sickening way to lose
On to next season'"
Apart from at the end I didn’t see anything wrong in French’s performance, if anything it highlighted that he can be as good in defence as he can be in attack. At almost no point in that game we’re Wigan on top and building a platform in the forwards so you’re basically expecting French to perform magic on his own.
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| Quote ="moto748"Yes, a really good contest. I thought there might at least be some discussion as to whether French was taken out. It didn't look that much, but I think it it was two players running side-by-side and the defender elbowed the attacker out of the way, he'd be penalised, and told you can only use your shoulder! Which is a bit of an anomaly itself, but still.'"
Had it been a bit further away from the ball I think so but as it was so close it would be classed as competing for the ball.
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| I do think Brick's implied criticism of French is a bit harsh, though, unless you're blaming him from the try. But I do agree that that chance Bibby binned when he he just hesitated for a second, if that was French, he would have been over in the corner. We defended really well, and created enough chances to win the game, despite conceding most of the territory and possession.
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| Difficult to deal with that result but Hell ... let's not pretend it wasn't a fantastic final and a great advert for the game.
I'm sure even the Saints faithful would admit it could have gone either way right at the end, it was that close.
Disappointed obviously, but pleased to have witnessed a major event.
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| Gutted
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| Quote ="moto748"I do think Brick's implied criticism of French is a bit harsh, though, unless you're blaming him from the try. But I do agree that that chance Bibby binned when he he just hesitated for a second, if that was French, he would have been over in the corner. We defended really well, and created enough chances to win the game, despite conceding most of the territory and possession.'"
Had we won I would have had French on the shortlist for MOM.
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| Quote ="CobraCraig"Had it been a bit further away from the ball I think so but as it was so close it would be classed as competing for the ball.'"
Yeah, honestly I said at the time, I thought it was a fair and legal try. But sometimes (obstruction), they seem to try so hard to find a reason not to award a try...
And yes to French close to MoM.
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| I had French as mom
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| Superb game, defences in top, lots of 50/50s that could have gone either way. Our lack of punch in the pack meant we were camped in our own half for too long, if it had gone to extra time we don’t have the kicking range. Going for 2 was the right decision, but only if you can kick it dead if you miss. The Conversion off the cross bar was the killer, the conversion travels 6 inches further it’s over and were 4 clear.
We need more grunt in the pack.
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| French isn't to blame there - he couldnt commit to the ball until it had bounced and it happened to bounce perfectly for Welsby.
Hardaker not to blame either and I personally would have gone for the 2.
Thought the penalty against Hastings was harsh but I will also say I thought their disallowed try should have been given.
They had the better of possession and territory but we had the better chances - we cut them open when we had the chance to go out wide.
Horrible feeling but congrats to Saints. Remember we're still 7 championships ahead of anyone else
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| Whoever decided to go for the two wants shooting. Hardaker isn’t guaranteed to kick those on the training ground never mind after 78 minutes of a game like that. In fact after that sort of match Pat Richards wouldn’t have been odds on to kick it. Inexplicable decision when all that is needed is a drop goal and if you miss that you still have extra time sudden death.
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| Quote ="MadDogg"French isn't to blame there - he couldnt commit to the ball until it had bounced and it happened to bounce perfectly for Welsby.
Hardaker not to blame either and I personally would have gone for the 2.
Thought the penalty against Hastings was harsh but I will also say I thought their disallowed try should have been given.
They had the better of possession and territory but we had the better chances - we cut them open when we had the chance to go out wide.
Horrible feeling but congrats to Saints. Remember we're still 6 championships ahead of anyone else
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Im pretty sure it was offside, i thought the actual try was a tighter decision. Why can’t they get the lines out like they do for offsides in football?
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| Quote ="DaveO"Whoever decided to go for the two wants shooting. Hardaker isn’t guaranteed to kick those on the training ground never mind after 78 minutes of a game like that. In fact after that sort of match Pat Richards wouldn’t have been odds on to kick it. Inexplicable decision when all that is needed is a drop goal and if you miss that you still have extra time sudden death.'"
I have to agree
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"I have to agree'"
No, he had to go for it. Danny McGuire who played alongside Hardaker expected him to kick it.
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| I never said French had a bad game , I thought he played well but tonight I feel he should have moved out wide to be more effective. Hardaker is stronger running the ball out from fullback . French thrives on the smallest of gaps in defence when bringing the ball out from fullback. There weren’t any gaps tonight
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| Firstly Ben Flower ruled out of the GF after getting injured last week
THEN Hardaker being a complete bottle job and costing his team the GF.
Karma at its finest and dont you just you love to see it.
Couldnt have happened to 2 nicer blokes
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"No, he had to go for it. Danny McGuire who played alongside Hardaker expected him to kick it.'"
It was hardly a simple kick.
I'd say most players would back Frano Botica but he still missed occasionally including against us for Cas at Central Park.
We shouldn''t have put him in that position IMO.
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| What a war that was.
Gutted to lose especially like that but we had a chances to win the game and didn’t take them.
Very proud of the effort though, some performance.
Wigan and Saints are so far ahead of the pack it’s unreal.
Chin up lads, we’ll pick that trophy up again in the next couple of years. Saints are a great side too, respect.
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| Anyone who thinks he shouldn’t have gone for that kick is a whopper who has never played the game.
Absolutely the correct decision and was just unlucky
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"No, he had to go for it. Danny McGuire who played alongside Hardaker expected him to kick it.'"
His kicking success rate this year is not good enough to be going for those never mind after an an exhausting game like that. Especially when the alternative takes you half way to the sticks (minimum) for a drop goal.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"No, he had to go for it. Danny McGuire who played alongside Hardaker expected him to kick it.'"
The point in his career when Hardaker wasn't a primary kicker? Hardaker bottles kicks in big games, it's known and it was a terrible decision.
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"It was hardly a simple kick.
I'd say most players would back Frano Botica but he still missed occasionally including against us for Cas at Central Park.
We shouldn''t have put him in that position IMO.'"
It wasn't a simple kick, but it was a kick to win the game. He had to have a go IMO.
We should have defended it better though, they came over sixty metres from the catch.
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| Quote ="RagingBull"Firstly Ben Flower ruled out of the GF after getting injured last week
THEN Hardaker being a complete bottle job and costing his team the GF.
Karma at its finest and dont you just you love to see it.
Couldnt have happened to 2 nicer blokes'"
You missed The Messiah’s last game and Lamb’s tears........
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"It wasn't a simple kick, but it was a kick to win the game. He had to have a go IMO.
We should have defended it better though, they came over sixty metres from the catch.'"
Our chase was terrible
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