Correct. Have edited accordingly.

Nowt wrong with it says Shaun. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/37354102 Quote Wigan coach Shaun Wane: "(On Flower's dismissal) If you slow anything down, it can make it look bad - I didn't see much in that, I'm sure it will be seen the correct way. "We were under pressure against a team playing really well. I thought it was a great effort and, for guts and determination, it's a fantastic win. "To overcome that adversity makes it really satisfying. We have that unbreakable spirit and trust in each other."'"

Nowt wrong with it says Shaun. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/37354102 Quote Wigan coach Shaun Wane: "(On Flower's dismissal) If you slow anything down, it can make it look bad - I didn't see much in that, I'm sure it will be seen the correct way. "We were under pressure against a team playing really well. I thought it was a great effort and, for guts and determination, it's a fantastic win. "To overcome that adversity makes it really satisfying. We have that unbreakable spirit and trust in each other."'"

I agree, i think we should stay on topic.. And that is the the (current) Ben Flower situation, which i have already stated my complete displeasure at on page 2

Quote ="MattyB"Nowt wrong with it says Shaun. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/37354102 '" Classic Wane, Defending the un-defendable. It's a pity though, because it was a contributing factor in one of the best team performances in years. Even Sam attacked the line and looked bloody dangerous when he did.

Quote ="MattyB"Nowt wrong with it says Shaun. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/37354102 '" Classic Wane, Defending the un-defendable. It's a pity though, because it was a contributing factor in one of the best team performances in years. Even Sam attacked the line and looked bloody dangerous when he did.

I think 2 matches as he was sent off,what i did notice was Patton not lying around after the challenge feigning injury respect to him for that i suppose he will learn that in time

Tony Smith thought the Red Card was harsh. I'll take that.

I honestly thought it was just a yellow. I saw it as clumsy not malicious.

Just to put the cat amongst the pigeons.....deliberate use of lower limbs to the head of Powell to stop the try? No attempt made what so ever to tackle using the arms, defender uses the arms Powell scores.

Think most people saw what i didn't see but i am quite happy being a lone voice in the dark. I thought it was a malicious, deliberate and dirty attack and i have seen it many times now. Nothing will change my mind. Wigan player or not.

Very well said Matty, and Yes!!, in all the confusion i forgot about that somewhat. Led with the knees, although wasn't deliberate, very worthy of at least a sin bin or penalty try - or both, which could also be said of the Tierney try, not given could have been worse for Wire.

In all honesty I thought it looked a lot worse in slow motion. I'm not convinced there was any malice in it, More uncontrolled and careless, If you slow something like that down enough then it will look bad. worthy of atleast a yellow but won't complain to much at the red but I'd personally think sending off sufficient.

Im glad that all wiganers arent as brainless as nicky kiss theres just no reasoning with the n0b

You're obviously correct in your opinions as you get them across in such a classy manner. I can't help but feel it's a sign of somebody having lost a debate when they resort to insults.

You've shown as much class as your owner, board and 'some' of your players there.

6 match ban at the very least but I would ban him for 10, it was disgraceful but apparently there was nothing in it?

Red card all day long . You dont charge kicks down with a bent arm . His stupidity deserves a red if nothing else .


Regards , Ew

Defo straight red imo. The fact he raises the elbow makes it straight red. Im not sure he intentionally goes for the elbow as i think he meant to bounce him off with his forearm to the chest and got it wrong.

Intention or not, he catches him on chin with elbow/foremarm which is off the ball so its got to be red.

With his past record, i imagine his season is over.

I can't see the ban being that long, especially as he was sent off rather than called up. No complaints about the red from me though.

Whilst I would agree incidents can look worse in slow motion, it is the positioning of his arm that makes me think this was deliberate rather than uncontrolled and careless. Bending the arm to such a degree that the point of the elbow is the first point of contact with the other player isn't accidental or careless, it's a deliberate attempt to cause serious injury.

And the knee to the head?

I didn't like the look of it.
However, I do think is was a genuine desperate attempt to prevent a try. I don't think it was premeditated and there simply wasn't time to do it deliberately.
However, I think there is a discussion needed about how to prevent contact with the head when a player's head is so close to the ground when the initial contact is made.

what utter tripe

Shock horror everyone else thinks it's a bad one Wigan fans think it was careless n accidental.....

Just what I think.
I saw Ben Flower lead with the point of his elbow into the head of a player without the ball in a vulnerable position. I don't think it is normal to lead with the point of the elbow when charging down a kick and therefore it was deliberate.
Feel free to hold a different opinion....

Couldn't agree more. You lot always over react with anything to do with Wigan such is your determination to convince yourselves we are the root of all evil. Interestingly Tony Smith (and for the avoidance of doubt I'm referring to the Tony Smith who coaches Warrington) described the sending off as 'harsh'.

I stand my my opinion that it was careless. There was direct contact with the head therefore I've no problem with the red, 2 - 3 games. Earlier in the season it would have been 3, this time of year the diciplinary historically are more lenient (which is something I disagree with) therefore he could end up with 2 or even 1 as he saw red.