Sidewards? He must be one of, if not the best attacking backrower in the league, caused Wigan lots of problems and would walk into your team, there is only Bateman from your backrower I'd swap for him. Outstanding player.

Rather than souring all the good will that your lot won last weekend for a good performance by your team and some old school banter from your fans, why not concentrate on the rest of your season instead of trying to score points on here now the game is over?

Not point scoring, but if someone puts something about one of players that I feel incorrect that I will challeng it, why not question the poster who mentioned a Hull player, twice when you include the poster who mentioned Shaul on a Wigan forum.

Anyway you will be fine, you will win the LLS shield now that your main two competitors have distractions and at least make the grand final.

Wow!!! Talk about getting your excuses in early!!

Do we have to attack opposition fans every time they come on here? He's not said anything wrong

No excuses, I'm happy with how the season has gone and we have exceeded all expectations already, history shows teams who make the cup often take the eye off the all ball when in the up final.

There isn't much between the 3 teams and with getting players back and no final, if expect you to win the league, both us and Warrington won't be far off though and it will be a tough Semi whoever you play.

Next year is the key for Tomkins after a good off season, I think we'll be better able to see where he is after that.
Hopefully from a Wigan point of view he won't be involved with England this autumn (and to be fair his form doesn't justify a call up), a good couple of months rest and then a good pre-season and with a bit of luck we'll get the Tomkins back that we love and everybody else is terrified of.

To get that we need all the players around him to perform, if not he's easy to mark. He's only going to be effective if he's running the ball and he's got options.

That's changed recently. 2 of the last 3 cup final winners have gone on to win the Grand Final.

I agree and that's part of the problem as well, Tomkins's best year was 2012, in that team he had Charnley Goulding Carmont Richards Finch and Leuluai around him, compare that to our team now and you'll see a lot of the problem, no one in our backs apart from Williams looks dangerous when he gets the ball so it's easy to target Sam because he's the only other possible threat, where as a few years ago you had Leuluai Finch Goulding Carmont Richards etc who looked dangerous on the ball

Leeds may have on the GF, but they lost the 3 games after the cup final, if we both do that we wont finish top of the league.

Will certainly effect both teams and it's up to Wigan to take advantage and get a home semi, which will be key.

sack Wane ? hes a great coach , wigan never thrown in the towel and are certainly the toughest team to beat week in week out, they are just poor in attack like most SL slubs , you cant win every year.

Fair enough getting beat 62-0 by Wakefield was understandable given the circumstances, but this year we definitely 'threw the towel in' against Brisbane (42-12) and Warrington away (40-10), last year we did against Castleford (42-14) and Catalans (58-16) away.


We defend well but no way are we consistently the toughest to beat. This stat is quite telling:
Times beaten by two scores (12 points) or more this season – Hull 1 Wire 1 Wigan 6


We aren't just as poor in attack as most SL clubs though, they have all scored more points than us this year except one.


We certainly don't! Surely 4 out of 5 seasons ending in neither the CC nor the GF isn't enough.

you can always point out the odd figures but they dont tell the whole storey , they didnt need to throw in the towel against Brisbane as they where on another level , just like all 3 games that where played , nothing will change that, but thats an RFL problem not a Wigan problem.

anyone who reaches the grand final there worst opponent will be wigan , nobody will fancy there chance against them on the day, and if they do turn them over it will be an absolute workathon , nobody will want to play them because of the way Wane sets his team out as a forward dominated /teritory dominated game . Yes its pretty poor to watch.

I have seen a lot of games this season and Saints v Warrington was probably the most inept attacking football (by Saints) that I have ever seen at the top level , but none of the top SL teams seem to have much in terms of attack , the odd moments of great play but on the whole seriously poorly structured attacking football throughout , almost like we are playing like the Aussies did in the early 80s where it was all defence. In our results orientated sacking coaches , poor academies , short term thinking, anything to sign an aussie game it will always come down to the lowest common denominator of what it takes to win.

Personally I think wigan are just short of 2 quality half backs , they have some seriously good quality players.

People keep saying we have a great squad... but do we, really? I don't see that our squad (on paper, putting form and tactics to one side for the moment) is better than, say, FC's.

You FC fans who are bigging us up: how many of your first team would you swap for the equivalent Wiganer? Not too many, I suspect.

But that's the point of a squad, you're probably right about the first team, but when you start getting into the second string, I think this season has shown just how good we are. The big difference is, we've needed to use ours whereas Hull and others haven't to the same degree. With a full squad, the likes of Powell, Tierney, Gildart (or Sarge), Isa, Tautai, Mossop, Sutton, Shorrocks don't get in the 17, and I don't see other clubs with that sort of quality sat on the sidelines.

Yes, Geoff, I agree with that too. Let's say a deep squad, rather than a great one.

We don't have any great players, but we do have a shed load of distinctly average players. Which is good considering our injuries, it has allowed us to be consistently average and bland all season.

It's an interesting argument as to which is better. Having great players is...errrr....great, but in these salary cap days that means having below average players around them, and means over-reliance on the "greats" staying healthy. Leeds and Huddersfield would love to be as "average" as us right now, I suspect.

I know mate, it was tongue in cheek really, well 50/50. I feel we have an average squad with a good defensive coach who has proven over 18 months that he can't improve our attack, it's getting g worse if anyrhing, which makes him very average if you even it out, which reflects perfectly in our points difference.

Build yourself a cushion before wembley so that you can absorb a hangover and still finish top, like leeds did last year. You have to think bigger than just a CC win. This is a huge chance to rack up some trophies for hull this season.

I don't think your ability to deal with injuries better is totally down to being a more 'even' squad
The structure that Wane plays seems to be drilled into the whole squad, so injuries shouldn't be too disruptive

btw, if you think it is bad watching an over structured team, try watching a team with no structure (or game plan) whatsoever!

Say what you will about Wane, but if he were in charge of Leeds they would probably be close to the top 4 atm

Maybe, but there would have been no treble last season.

Because Wigan were so very far from getting anything last year?

And i for one would not go watch his boring , thugish rugby style