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| Quote ="Trainman"Given that one of the players who was alleged to be involved played the following week without showing any evidence of the damage that would be caused if what was alleged is true I would reasonably conclude that what was alleged was very much exaggerated or untrue.'"
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| Quote ="Angelus"I don't think any of that actually matters. And i don't think we have a right to know as such either. Guy screwed up, he's been punished, there's a game on thursday, lets move on.'"
Well said.
What's the weather forecast for tomorrow night? Could be slippy on that pitch
Let's all move on and get behind our players
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| Bateman (from Yorkshire) + others (not from Yorkshire and possibly home-grown) involved. Bateman gets fine and ban. Others (appear) to have been let off scot free.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"Why do you need to know all this?'"
Because the rumours about what "actually" happened and with who will continue.
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| Quote ="muttywhitedog"Because the rumours about what "actually" happened and with who will continue.'"
Only if people like you keep discussing them.
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| Quote ="muttywhitedog"Bateman (from Yorkshire) + others (not from Yorkshire and possibly home-grown) involved. Bateman gets fine and ban. Others (appear) to have been let off scot free.'"
From the rumours I've heard the other alleged parties aren't even from Lancashire let alone "home-grown".
More than happy with this outcome BTW.
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| Quote ="spartakmixtapes"From the rumours I've heard the other alleged parties aren't even from Lancashire let alone "home-grown".
More than happy with this outcome BTW.'"
And Wane will be more than happy to see the back of them when they do leave, apparently.
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| Quote ="ploinerrhino"You may think the club have handled it well , i hope you still feel that way the next time he messes up'"
One detects disappointment that he won't be coming your way.
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| Quote ="muttywhitedog"As I expected, a brief, bland statement by the club about an "incident" and what they have done with Bateman. No mention of what (if any) sanction was taken against the other person involved.
A telling line from the statement was “John Bateman has expressed his full regret at the incident, [size=150as have other parties[/size"
Questions still remain unanswered, such as
What incident?
Who else was involved?
What disciplinary action was taken against the other party?
Do Wigan Warriors actually employ a Media & Communications Officer?'"
You seem a little disappointed that IL hasn't banned a whole raft of players.
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| Quote ="muttywhitedog"As I expected, a brief, bland statement by the club about an "incident" and what they have done with Bateman. No mention of what (if any) sanction was taken against the other person involved.
A telling line from the statement was “John Bateman has expressed his full regret at the incident, [size=150as have other parties[/size"
Questions still remain unanswered, such as
What incident?
Who else was involved?
What disciplinary action was taken against the other party?
Do Wigan Warriors actually employ a Media & Communications Officer?'"
The details are an internal and private matter which has been investigated, facts gathered and dealt with. Wigan RL would have obligations to keep certain things comfidential.
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| Quote ="Singing Warrior"One detects disappointment that he won't be coming your way.'"
I doubt he'd have been going to a lower division anyway.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"I doubt he'd have been going to a lower division anyway.'"
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| Quote ="ploinerrhino"You may think the club have handled it well , i hope you still feel that way the next time he messes up'"
And what do you know about John Bateman? And with a plonker like Hardaker in the Whinos ranks its a bit cheap
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| It's clearly been a serous incident and let's just hope that's the end of the matter and whoever was involved can get their heads down and do the right thing by the club.
I'd love to think Bateman will be here long term but I'm still not counting my chickens on that one.
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| Quote ="muttywhitedog"and with who will continue.'" with [i[uwhom[/u[/i
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| as an outsider looking in, am surprised if the claims are true you are keeping him, it will surely bring diversions amongst the players and do you really want someone who does this type of thing to a team mate? yes he is a top player but imo you get rid if the claims are true
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| Quote ="hull2524"as an outsider looking in, am surprised if the claims are true you are keeping him, it will surely bring diversions amongst the players and do you really want someone who does this type of thing to a team mate? yes he is a top player but imo you get rid if the claims are true'"
Yet no doubt 99% of opposition supporters would have been jumping up and down with joy had today's announcement been that Wigan were getting rid and was moving to their club with immediate effect. Strange that!
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| Quote ="MattyB"Quote ="hull2524"as an outsider looking in, am surprised if the claims are true you are keeping him, it will surely bring diversions amongst the players and do you really want someone who does this type of thing to a team mate? yes he is a top player but imo you get rid if the claims are true'"
Yet no doubt 99% of opposition supporters would have been jumping up and down with joy had today's announcement been that Wigan were getting rid and was moving to their club with immediate effect. Strange that!'"
Nail. Head.
Punishment given, let's move on.
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| Quote ="hull2524"as an outsider looking in, am surprised if the claims are true you are keeping him, it will surely bring diversions amongst the players and do you really want someone who does this type of thing to a team mate? yes he is a top player but imo you get rid if the claims are true'"
The statement states that the club sought independent advice on the investigation and the punishment and that it was reviewed twice to make sure nothing was missed. I'd say they've handled very well and I don't know of any other club who would slap such a hefty penalty on one of its best players.
If Wigan had opted to move him on, they would have been the only real loser. The player would continue to play for good money at a high level and his new club would have inherited a hell of a player. As I see it, Bateman has got a severe penalty, the clubs integrity is intact and Wigan retain a great young player who hopefully learns from this and goes on to achieve great success with the club. Time for the rumours to end and we all move on.
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| you don't fine a player 10k and susp for nothing, look hes a very good player and on form alone would walk into any sl team, would I want him at hull nah , lets see how this pans out eh,
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| Quote ="mb010"If you were truly in the know as you claim to be you wouldn't be posting it on here'"
Why wouldn't I?
I do know the feelings of people within the club and trust me they are not very positive towards Bateman irrespective of what comes out in the media
These self same people have seen plenty of training ground bust ups over the years which have resolved themselves as those individuals involved knew full well that things often get heated in training,especially when results aren't going the clubs way
Whatever anyone says or thinks for that matter about this incident, then let me tell you that this was way,way above anything like that.
If that self same incident had happened to one of our own kids then I think people would see things a bit differently and would be demanding a far sterner sentence,maybe one which was handed out in a court of law
FWIW I believe that the club have gone as far as they possibly could in fining Bateman £10K plus banning him for 8 weeks without actually losing a valuable asset by sacking him and letting one of our rivals snap him up for free
We also have retained a player who is under contract and is one that we could possibly sell for a large transfer fee if things don't work out as planned
Would that option have been available to Mossop from our club if he had been the guilty party?
Some people within our club reckon not and that he would have been sacked without a doubt, that is causing some animosity within the club
Moving forward for the club,and that is the only thing that matters IMO,is that the club have got it right and that these negative feelings towards Bateman don't stop us winning a trophy or three this season, because if we don't win anything then strong questions will need to be answered
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| Quote ="trent"We also have retained a player who is under contract and is one that we could possibly sell for a large transfer fee if things don't work out as planned
Would that option have been available to Mossop from our club if he had been the guilty party?
Some people within our club reckon not and that he would have been sacked without a doubt, that is causing some animosity within the club'"
What has Mossop got to do with this?
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| Quote ="trent"Why wouldn't I?
I do know the feelings of people within the club and trust me they are not very positive towards Bateman irrespective of what comes out in the media
These self same people have seen plenty of training ground bust ups over the years which have resolved themselves as those individuals involved knew full well that things often get heated in training,especially when results aren't going the clubs way
Whatever anyone says or thinks for that matter about this incident, then let me tell you that this was way,way above anything like that.
If that self same incident had happened to one of our own kids then I think people would see things a bit differently and would be demanding a far sterner sentence,maybe one which was handed out in a court of law
FWIW I believe that the club have gone as far as they possibly could in fining Bateman £10K plus banning him for 8 weeks without actually losing a valuable asset by sacking him and letting one of our rivals snap him up for free
We also have retained a player who is under contract and is one that we could possibly sell for a large transfer fee if things don't work out as planned
Would that option have been available to Mossop from our club if he had been the guilty party?
Some people within our club reckon not and that he would have been sacked without a doubt, that is causing some animosity within the club
Moving forward for the club,and that is the only thing that matters IMO,is that the club have got it right and that these negative feelings towards Bateman don't stop us winning a trophy or three this season, because if we don't win anything then strong questions will need to be answered'"
Because my contacts at the club (people who are very friendly with mossop) have told me **** all. they are sworn to secrecy
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| Quote ="trent"Why wouldn't I?
I do know the feelings of people within the club and trust me they are not very positive towards Bateman irrespective of what comes out in the media
These self same people have seen plenty of training ground bust ups over the years which have resolved themselves as those individuals involved knew full well that things often get heated in training,especially when results aren't going the clubs way
Whatever anyone says or thinks for that matter about this incident, then let me tell you that this was way,way above anything like that.
If that self same incident had happened to one of our own kids then I think people would see things a bit differently and would be demanding a far sterner sentence,maybe one which was handed out in a court of law
FWIW I believe that the club have gone as far as they possibly could in fining Bateman £10K plus banning him for 8 weeks without actually losing a valuable asset by sacking him and letting one of our rivals snap him up for free
We also have retained a player who is under contract and is one that we could possibly sell for a large transfer fee if things don't work out as planned
Would that option have been available to Mossop from our club if he had been the guilty party?
Some people within our club reckon not and that he would have been sacked without a doubt, that is causing some animosity within the club
Moving forward for the club,and that is the only thing that matters IMO,is that the club have got it right and that these negative feelings towards Bateman don't stop us winning a trophy or three this season, [ubecause if we don't win anything then strong questions will need to be answered[/u'"
They will regardless of the Batemen situ.
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| I think its all down to the coach and the culture he has instilled.
Justin Carney transgressed at Cas. He was a very valuable player on a 5 year contract but he broke the code of conduct that Powell had insisted all his players adhered to. He had to go despite the protestations from the fans.
Very similar at Shudds, Ferres broke Andersons code and Leeds got him for nothing as Anderson was worried if he kept him it would set a precedent.
It would seem that Wanes code of conduct is much more lenient than other clubs especially if it is a valuable player. Considering some on here claim he has previous just what does he have to do to get kicked out of the club?
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