So we don't have any injuries then? I'm not defending the performance it was painful to watch, Mossop at the end there just summed us up tonight, but to say we wouldn't be a much stronger team with Lockers, Faz, Flower, Manfredi, Joel & Sam T is completely disingenuous.

Want to explain how it isn't?

Yeah, Yeah, course we will shaun.

Whilst the rest of us live in the real world.

Basics of the game are pathetic, passing, timing everything is awful.

A few bad individual performances tonight coupled with big losses but that was a whole team dreadful performance. One of the worst i have witnessed in recent years. Im sorry but the blame os off the pitch tonight as much as it is on it. What then hell are Wane and co coaching them. That was abysmal and embarrassing..... again. I usually stick up for folk but Wane is starting to walk a tight rope. I think tonight i became fed up of excuses. Silverware or go. We need a coach who will play players on merit, not because they have signed them (a la Tautai) and needs to justify it or they played for St. Pats or he knows their dads. This is not good enough and it starts from the top.

Injuries had absolutely nothing to do with that performance, The players out on the field should still have been capable of playing the basics to a better standard than they showed tonight. Just an abysmal performance all round. The cracks are starting to appear again and we are struggling to paper over them now. Our performances have been poor all year but a few individual bits of brilliance have managed to save us.

We'll put 60 past Dewsbury and then scrape past Hull FC and all will be rosy again.

Christ, I thought you were one of the reasonable ones.

I am always one of the ones who will credit the opposition on a job well done but tonight.... well Warrington just didn't need to do anything. I was in so much disbelief at our own performance i forgot that we were playing against somebody. Nobody can defend that because that was stinking however Wane said in his interview that he isn't concerned by it and he was 'proud' of the performance. I really do think he is starting to crack up. I think that he thinks his job is iron clad and no matter what happens he will stay in it. If Sam isn't the saviour then we are going nowhere because the coaching staff couldn't arrange an attacking move if their lives depended on it.

I do think Wane thinks his position is ironclad. IL is busy with the Football League and is leaving the running to Rads and a.n.other who's name escapes me. They aren't in a position to sack him.

Rads is off to Oz and if he comes back with signing(s) of experienced player(s) for 2017 you can bet your house regardless of results this season Wane will get another chance on the assumption those signings will make all the difference. Ignoring the fact we have needed that sort of signing for two seasons.

Honest question now, is TauTai ever not completely hopeless? I don't watch him every week but whenever he plays us, and I see you on sky, he's a complete liability. He doesn't have anything between his ears in any way from what I can see. He's a big lad and actually quite fleet footed with ball in hand but like I just read on facebook, for the metres he makes he gives away twice as many in penalties and silly mistakes.

Sam Tomkins must be wondering what the hell he has let himself in for.

Though delighted with a Wire win, I expected a closer game and felt sorry for Bateman who ran his blood to water and shamed most of his team mates, you would be really struggling withou him

Thought clubb had a good game alongside Bateman but you were definitely missing some players who would have made a big difference.

Poor performance, the team looked knackered from the start... Warrington had to be favourites before the game, and i expected them to win, so no surprises there... Nothing won in April, and the season finishes in October.....

Is this a serious post, it looks way too cliche too be taken seriously? It looks like like something Wane would read from a cue card.

I'm not a person who panics by nature, take it as you wish...

Just because YOU have an opinion, does not mean YOU are right, i'm entitled to an opinion, just as you are.. I know i'm one of the few who does not scream like a girl, and have to be dragged back from the edge of the cut when we play badly, and it's why i post very little these days... I'll leave you to your hand ringing and wailing... Have a lovely day...

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Regardless of injuries that was really poor, I can't comprehend what we must do in training in attack. Even at the start when we were competing with them it was only because of our defence. I feel sorry for Bateman and Clubb, they didn't deserve to be on the end of that scoreline (which flattered us!)

It's a sport, not life, I take it no more seriously, I just expect (more like hope these days) to be entertained. I wish I could be as upbeat as you I really do, but to me that's just sticking your head in the sand. That isn't a personal insult, it's just a difference in personality type. I haven't felt entertained for a long time now, it goes back to last year when we seemed to just lose ideas all of a sudden and nothing has improved. I fear that we will get players back, some individual performances will win games and the bigger issues will be overlooked.

I completely agree with you. A few years ago I would have come up with reasons for a thrashing then told myself that we will improve and go on to win at Wembley then me mam would wake me up for school.
Injuries are merely highlighting just how poor we are. Apart from Clubb and to a lesser degree Bateman the rest were truely awful last night. This isn't new news it's just a continuation of drab, lifeless, joyless rugby.
We trundle everywhere. We have a team of trundlers. I genuinely find it hard to believe that Burke, Isa, Tierney, Sutton, Mossop, Smith, Powell et al ever played RL before they signed for us. They are totally utterly lifeless.
If I hear again about conditioning and how fit we are I will scream. We look shot at before we start a game and every player gasps for air even after trundling in. The body language of the players is depressing.
Personally I don't think we are a top 8 team and said it my sons at the Catalan game. At the time they laughed at me but they are not laughing now.
We will struggle to beat Dewsbury and then get butchered again by Hull.
I'm not surprised by last night but disappointed with myself for not feeling hurt about being totally thrashed by a team who stopped playing after 60 minutes.

I completely agree with you. A few years ago I would have come up with reasons for a thrashing then told myself that we will improve and go on to win at Wembley then me mam would wake me up for school.
Injuries are merely highlighting just how poor we are. Apart from Clubb and to a lesser degree Bateman the rest were truely awful last night. This isn't new news it's just a continuation of drab, lifeless, joyless rugby.
We trundle everywhere. We have a team of trundlers. I genuinely find it hard to believe that Burke, Isa, Tierney, Sutton, Mossop, Smith, Powell et al ever played RL before they signed for us. They are totally utterly lifeless.
If I hear again about conditioning and how fit we are I will scream. We look shot at before we start a game and every player gasps for air even after trundling in. The body language of the players is depressing.
Personally I don't think we are a top 8 team and said it my sons at the Catalan game. At the time they laughed at me but they are not laughing now.
We will struggle to beat Dewsbury and then get butchered again by Hull.
I'm not surprised by last night but disappointed with myself for not feeling hurt about being totally thrashed by a team who stopped playing after 60 minutes.

I am not quite in the desperation state but last night was poor.

It has to be taken in context - looking at some of the young players last night they looked shot, I suspect some of them have played one too many games recently at their state of development and it showed. Some of them (but by no means all) may be good prospects but they are having to do too much at present without the benefit of experience to fall back on.

There was also a clear lack of leadership out there - Lockers is a big miss in just that regard beyond his ability on the field and I am not sure Bateman is captain material just yet. Too many times the team looked lost and directionless, Gregson at 6 cannot offer direction and that leaves Smith with far too much to try and do.

We were beaten by a team that played much better last night - simple.

Wigan can and will get better once we can get a full team out, that will be a time to judge.

You can't argue with that. I would also ask people not to judge a rank average performance from Warrington....please judge us when our best player is on the pitch.

I wouldn't dream of judging Warrington: you did plenty enough to win.

I'm not having a pop at Warrington but I don't think they played as well as they can. To be honest if they had played for a full 80 minutes I think they could have over 60 points. If they had needed to they could have stepped up a gear or two.
I'm just thankful that Sandow didn't play and that Currie decided to have a kip for most of the night. Non of our young guns are remotely near as good as Currie.
I'm not worried what Warrington do or don't do I'm just worried that the impact several years of non recruitment has arrived irrespective of injuries.

Only played with 12 men near the end when are are injuries going to stop.

Wigan had five England players and another three regulars on the sidelines and they then lost forwards Tony Clubb (head), Lee Mossop (quad) and Taulima Tautai (calf) to injury in the second half as they finished the game with 12 men.