Bit of an over reaction this thread. If he doesn't deliver much in regards of results against Leeds, Saints or Hudds then his position maybe become available. Not always the answer though.

I am still firmly in the Wane In camp.

There's obvious problems when we go away from home, there's no hiding from that. I have no idea how, why or the reasons behind it, but we turn into a team of Wakefield's standards. The performance yesterday was nothing short of embarrassing, and I think it was even more embarrassing in my opinion, because I do believe we're capable of trophies with this squad.

It's very easy to criticise and say "He's piggybacked off Madge", but I'm still reluctant to turn on Wane. A double winning coach, especially in an era of both the big final's being so close to each other, must have something about him. When we play at home, we're displaying what I believe the team is capable of producing on a more regular basis in a couple of years time. Attacking wise at home, it's miles better than anything I remember us producing under Maguire.

Wane has also had his best players constantly being sold on or leaving where I think Wane didn't have a say in the decision, and been given the job of having to replace them. Since he joined in 2012 we've lost:

S. Tomkins (returning), Richards, Carmont, J. Tomkins (returned), Leuluai, Finch, Green, Lima, Mossop (returned).

The quality in those players, especially in the likes of Sam, you'd argue are irreplaceable. Yet, despite the player turnover, we've still been moderately successful.

This squad, if my maths are correct, are the youngest squad on average and that must be encouraging to think of the level they can get to. Wane has done a good job at Wigan, he's won every domestic trophy in his first three seasons as a Head Coach, and with a returning world class full back in Sam Tomkins as well as Bateman, Gelling, Manfredi etc another year maturer, we can get better with Wane as coach of Wigan RL.

He does however, need to calm down with the press conference nonsense, he's basically writing the opposition team talk. He still has a lot to learn, but I believe he's capable of doing so.

So I'm firmly in the Wane In camp for now, but like many have said, if results on the road continue as they are, IL may be left with no choice.

Plus Taylor.

Thanks Tatts you summarised my own thoughts far better than I could myself.
By my nature I am still behind SW as I think he is a better coach than he gets the credit for however, the last displays have been abysmal and if we do not make the top 4 which is entirely possible then IL will definitely give SW the bullet.
Last night I was very negative now I'm just very disappointed.
SW and his back room team have take responsibility and start the process of improving moral and discipline. SOL, Smith, MM, Mossop and Bowen need a rocket up their s and need to lead by example in effort, discipline and doing the simple things right.
IL and Radlinski need to get a grip with SW and stop all this nonsense about referees and knocking the opposition in public.
The opposition now know that if you attack Wigan in centres then tries are inevitable with the present duo. SW and his team need to show us they have the skills and the know how to address this and significantly improve our consistency in attack. I personally don't know how they will do this but hopefully SW does and he still has the desire to complete this task.
I anticipate a defeat against Leeds but expect a much improved performance.

As a neutral I'd still stick with him unless you had a quality replacement eyed up.

It could help if IL (or anybody) had a word to him about some of the stuff that comes out of his mouth as I'd not see how that helps. If it's to fire up the players then fine, but keep that to the changing rooms and not the media for the opposition to read.

I mean, at home you are still probably the toughest team to beat in the whole competition so that shouldn't be forgotten. The away form is concerning. I think a key factor is the amount of (or lack of) leaders you have on the field apart from SOL who often isn't there. The likes of Green, Leuluai, Richards, Carmont etc are a big loss in that particular aspect.

For me Wane could still be the right man but he needs to have a look at himself and admit that there's a few things he has to alter about his own style and approach to management. We often talk about players growing and maturing into their positions and roles in a team with experience and as time goes by, I think the same applies to coaches.

We were stuffed by Widnes 2 weeks ago - big deal. Wigan is the team to beat for the SL title this season and I'm not getting lulled into a false sense of security just because you were beaten by Catalans in France. What your club is achieving with home grown talent is great for RL in this country and something that should be possible for us all. Keep faith in the big hairy bloke in charge.

3rd in the league and you want to sack the coach. What a set of glory supporters.

How dare we. We should just strive for mediocrity like 50% of the league.

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It's still going strong is that one 4 years later and over a hundred. Tbh most of the time when it pops up again after a loss its usually a non-Leeds fan who starts it however you still get a couple of the same people knee-jerking over a couple of defeats. After the run of 3 games without a win you had the usual suspects two weeks ago saying they couldn't see any possible way Leeds would finish top and was worried we might not make the top 4 and that it would be a major shock if we won the GF this year.

Some people (and every club has some fans like this) simply have no patience at all to ride out the stormy times that will inevitably happen. The 2011 season with Leeds is well documented in that thread, I also remember looking on here after we beat you in the final regular league game of 2013 at your place and their was a few Wigan posters then writing off Wigan's chances in the playoffs yet to stormed through to win the GF.

They beat us 42-0 there last season and we all know what went on to happen.

Such is the competetiveness of SL (bar Wakefield), the team finishing top of the league tends to lose around 8 games (judging by the past few years). That's a fair percentage of games to lose. Gone are the days when you could pummel nearly everyone and only lose a couple of games.

My point is, I HATE that spud headed coach of yours. Married with the natural rivalry between Saints & Wigan, Wane has your team frothing at the mouth. He inspires the young lads who step up into the team to hit lads much bigger & experienced than them. He's a great coach who works really well with the resources he has. He loves Wigan and that trickles down to his players.

The few who want him out are barmy imo.

I'm undecided, however I don't think they're barmy when you consider our away form.

The Wigan coaching job is results based as all the coaching jobs are.
For the second season we are out of the C Cup.
We are thrid in the League Table based purely on our home form which is excellent.
Our away form is disastrous. Not won away since last July.
If we don't win any of the next three which are all away from the DW then we have a team who look likely they won't make the top two for a home GF draw.
If we don't turn around the away results then I reckon the results of a second season with a trophy will start IL looking around.
I can't see him risking a third season without a trophy.
If the away results do turn around and the wins start coming then things and personnel will stay as they now are.

I disagree with the SW out.

I'm consisted a young un, compared to many fans on here, doesn't mean I've not spent my life on the terraces of Central Park/DW Stadium week in week out, so I have an understanding of the passion towards Wigan winning.

SW has developed most of this squad via our youth system and as much as it pains me to say it, we are off the needed standard to win on all 3 accounts, mainly due to the fact we are in a development phase. Our squad is hugely young in alot of the main areas.

But it kills me the way SW chops and changes the squad all the time.

We of course lack in defence in areas, so I'll explain below what squad I'd pick and stand by it for as long as I could.

Bowen - Out and out World Class FB, patchy for us, but can pull the class moment out of nothing.

Charnley
Gildart - Showing potential on loan, thought he'd get a chance whilst Gelling is out)
Tomkins - Bulk that right hand side defence up and proven talent to unleash the pace of Gildart and Charnley.

Lockers - Many will think what the **** in 2nd row, but think Sarge needs that much needed guidance and help in defence at the moment, it's Burg/Sarge who make the breaks with pace on the left, imagine Lockers drawing the opposing 2nd row and centre with the ability to throw that pass at the end.
Sarge
Burgess

Williams - Think he makes a better #9 then Powell, but feel he's the future #6 for years to come.
Smith - Consisted a very young 6/7, will develop over the seaon.

Mossop
Mickey
Crosby

Bateman - Don't think he can be dropped from the starting line up whether Lockers is fit or not, currently showing passion to the club and gives his all.

Subs
Hampshire - In to #6 Williams to #9 whilst Mikey as a breather
Mr T
Sutton - Flower to replace when fully fit (used in #13 with Batemen to 2nd row during games or out and out prop)
Patrick - Clubb to replace when fully fit, Clubb to start instead of Crosby.

Just my 2 pennys worth on the current issues.

That is so confusing.

I'm glad it's not just me!




Perhaps we're missing the Excel spreadsheet and Powerpoint presentation?

It's a point I have made several times. He took a team that under Brian Noble looked pretty average and turned them into the best side in the competition by some distance. It's a great example of how a top coach can get the best out of the players he has at his disposal.

In comparison to MM, is Wane getting the best out of what he has available? The away form says definitely not but I don't think he is generally. Players like Patrick seem to be used incorrectly and we have a young half back at full back and a young scrum half at stand off and several other selection issues. Ironically given my comments regarding MM v Noble the current situation reminds me to some extent of 2006 before Noble arrived to sort things out.

It also shows how integral to success coaches are and so it is right when the team does have success they also get the plaudits. It works both ways though and when you get thumped like Wigan did at Les Cats it's not on to excuse the coach by saying his players let him down as if he has no responsibility for the result.

Looks like you will have to dig this out another time DaveO...

Blimey. Talk about over reactions!

Do you still think my head is buried in the sand? The first of my three predictions in the bag!p after yesterday's win against Leeds!

Having beaten Leeds and now Hudds away, do you still think I have my head in the sand?


They are doing even better than I predicted!

In a way mate he may be right. The 'Wane out' brigade are just waiting for the next couple of defeats before this starts up again. They will never give him credit.

If we win it's because he pinched Maguire's methods. If we lose it's because he changed Maguire's methods. In some people's eyes Shaun Wane doesn't sit comfortably. It's a bit like looking in the mirror - they don't like what they see - SW staring back at them. A Wigan man, one of our own, doing a great job.

Yeah he's doing a sterling job. Out of the cup at the first hurdle, two away wins in 10 months and two heavy losses to his be (Cas and Cata)

His season hangs on a GF win imo. Two good wins don't cancel out two bad losses nor do either make or break the season. Unless something drastic happens again (another 50 point loss perhaps) then he should be judged at the end of the year.

Also who cares where he's from? What possible difference does it make?

Oh dear, so 2 away wins this season is 4 and a bit months. Why include the off season, if you want to do stupid things like that we might as well say we were unbeaten for 3 months!!!

Do you think he's away form this year is acceptable? Do you think getting eliminated in the cup at the round and manner we did is also acceptable?