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| That's probably about right. The RFL couldn't be seen to be too lenient, but their own lack of consistency probably mitigated against them making it an even longer ban.
Saints Chairman has said all the right things, now we need to let it rest.
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| So have saints waited until the RFL issue their punishment on Flower before they release a statement to say they will not persue it with GMP?
If so are Saints holding the RFL to ransom?
And would Saints have persued this through the courts had the ban been more lenient?
More so I'd feel for Flower sat at home wondering whether he'd be in court even jail, I wonder how his state of mind was before this? And with Saints dragging their feet with their stance what part they would have played had something drastic happened to Flower?
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| Quote ="stillinthepast"I read the McManus statement tonight on my phone (I love Rugby League site) whilst out having a couple of pints and I think it was a statement that showed compassion and in a way seemed to suggest that we now put it behind us and move on.
What I am going to say now is not condoning what Flower did and he deserved everything he got, but the build up to the match contained more use of the word hatred than I have ever seen in my 60 years of watching Rugby League ( mainly Wigan).
The die was set when Wigan and Wane gave permission for [uTHAT[/u video to be released and it built and built from there and even last week McManus had an article printed in a Newspaper in which he said that he hated Wigan.
It was almost as if there was a concerted effort to build it up to a frenzy, the word hate was in all the papers as well as being mentioned on a regular basis on Radio and TV.
Now I think it is time for Wigan to say that in hindsight the Video was out of place and the word hate has no place in the game, fans will always say that they hate other clubs, but in my eyes that it is not something Clubs should be saying.'"
Excellent and very measured post!
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| Quote ="stillinthepast"I read the McManus statement tonight on my phone (I love Rugby League site) whilst out having a couple of pints and I think it was a statement that showed compassion and in a way seemed to suggest that we now put it behind us and move on.
What I am going to say now is not condoning what Flower did and he deserved everything he got, but the build up to the match contained more use of the word hatred than I have ever seen in my 60 years of watching Rugby League ( mainly Wigan).
The die was set when Wigan and Wane gave permission for [uTHAT[/u video to be released and it built and built from there and even last week McManus had an article printed in a Newspaper in which he said that he hated Wigan.
It was almost as if there was a concerted effort to build it up to a frenzy, the word hate was in all the papers as well as being mentioned on a regular basis on Radio and TV.
Now I think it is time for Wigan to say that in hindsight the Video was out of place and the word hate has no place in the game, fans will always say that they hate other clubs, but in my eyes that it is not something Clubs should be saying.'"
Nope, I don't think Wigan need to say anything abut that video, because it had absolutely no bearing on anything that happened.
I've heard stuff like that said in changing rooms hundreds of times, and no doubt it will be repeated this weekend somewhere. If you can't take stuff like that, then RL is not the game for you.
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| Quote ="post"So have saints waited until the RFL issue their punishment on Flower before they release a statement to say they will not persue it with GMP?
If so are Saints holding the RFL to ransom?
And would Saints have persued this through the courts had the ban been more lenient?
More so I'd feel for Flower sat at home wondering whether he'd be in court even jail, I wonder how his state of mind was before this? And with Saints dragging their feet with their stance what part they would have played had something drastic happened to Flower?'"
I don't think that Saints ever intended to do anything other than release the statement that they released.
It was a good statement, made all the right noises, and the tone was perfect.
There was absolutely nothing for Saints to gain by pursuing other routes of censure for Flower, and to be fair to them, they didn't.
Well done St Helens.
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| Quote ="Jack Kerley"I don't think that Saints ever intended to do anything other than release the statement that they released.
It was a good statement, made all the right noises, and the tone was perfect.
There was absolutely nothing for Saints to gain by pursuing other routes of censure for Flower, and to be fair to them, they didn't.
Well done St Helens.'"
I agree, but why wait so long?
Surely Ben Flowers head will still be up his Harris and this same quote said yesterday would have helped his state of mind.
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| Quote ="post"I agree, but why wait so long?
Surely Ben Flowers head will still be up his Harris and this same quote said yesterday would have helped his state of mind.'"
I think the chairman probably wanted to say his piece regarding inconsistency, and that was better said after the decision was made on Flower's ban.
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| Ben Flower made a horrible mistake. One that will haunt him for the rest of his life. He cost his team dearly on the night and has been rightly criticised and pilloried from all quarters! His punishment is just and warranted! He must serve his sentence.
Ben Flower is also an exceptional prop forward and by all accounts a decent and genuine guy.
I look forward to seeing him back on the pitch next April having served his sentence and hopefully a better man for it
Judges jury's and executioners now need to stand down and leave the lad alone
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| Saints said all along it was a matter for the R.L and made it clear they had no wish for the police to be involved . The sentence is about right and its time to move on , but those refering to L.H offence and his one match after e.g.p have a word with yourselves it was nothing more than a push with the elbow and not a malicious attack . One other thing its time your coach started behaving in an appropriate manner and not acting like a big kid , it never hurts to sometimes give a bit of praise to opposition teams (and i don't mean thinly veiled or sarcastic praise) . Also if he is going to let cameras in to the dressing room , maybe a more professional and measured team talk would be better than the Sunday amateur one he came up with .
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| Quote ="ploinerrhino"Saints said all along it was a matter for the R.L and made it clear they had no wish for the police to be involved . The sentence is about right and its time to move on , [ubut those refering to L.H offence and his one match after e.g.p have a word with yourselves it was nothing more than a push with the elbow and not a malicious attack .[/u One other thing its time your coach started behaving in an appropriate manner and not acting like a big kid , it never hurts to sometimes give a bit of praise to opposition teams (and i don't mean thinly veiled or sarcastic praise) . Also if he is going to let cameras in to the dressing room , maybe a more professional and measured team talk would be better than the Sunday amateur one he came up with .'"
I really think you need to go and take another look, without your tinted specs on my friend.... It's not on the scale of Mr Flowers actions, but it's not nice, and a little more than a "Push with the elbow".....
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| Quote ="post"I agree, but why wait so long?
Surely Ben Flowers head will still be up his Harris and this same quote said yesterday would have helped his state of mind.'" s
It was only Tuesday for heaven sake when Saints issued the statement you are referring to. There are a lot of things to consider and we've seen some reactions from people who spoke in the heat of the moment (jail term, life ban etc). McManus had already spoken about the incident (and done so with utmost professionalism) even before his Tuesday statement.
In my opinion he didn't wait long at all. Think you might be being a tad unreasonable.
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| Just reported on SKY sports news that Flower has received death threats!!!
He has already received his punishment, and has to live with what he as caused. The guy made a huge mistake and is remorseful.
Whoever sent these threats are the real scum and I hope the Police take the correct actions against them!
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| Agree Ranger. Like the people who issue threats to the McCann family. There are some weird folk around.
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| Eamonn McManus has behaved with a lot more dignity and understanding of Rugby League than all the press and news media put together. Thank heavens for that.
Of course it won't be enough for the hang and flog em brigade, many of whom have treated us to new depths of asininity on here.
I'm only glad that he didn't injure Hohai. I mean a life ban for that? Where on earth do you go if he'd say, broken an eye socket?
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| Quote ="Ranger"Just reported on SKY sports news that Flower has received death threats!!!
He has already received his punishment, and has to live with what he as caused. The guy made a huge mistake and is remorseful.
Whoever sent these threats are the real scum and I hope the Police take the correct actions against them!'"
That is disgusting. Hopefully whoever did that will be found and dealt with.
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| Quote ="Dead Man Walking"That is disgusting. Hopefully whoever did that will be found and dealt with.'"
Or alternatively...you could just ignore them?
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| Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"Or alternatively...you could just ignore them?'"
And that would be in Flowers best interest?
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| Quote ="Ranger"And that would be in Flowers best interest?'"
Yes. Switch Twitter account off for a few weeks. Ergo...it never happened. I mean these cranks crave people taking them seriously. They always turn out to be desperately sad little boys. Just ignore them.
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| Quote ="Ranger"And that would be in Flowers best interest?'"
Yes tbh.
People who make threats on a keyboard are bunch of wimps. Can you imagine i am going to have him i am going to do him in. People who tend to do things never give warnings.
FFS did you see the first punch that is about the best punch i have ever seen. And he has the animal instincts to do the 2nd punch. So if they did go after him and not take him out then that prson is getting fed through a tube for the rest of their lives.
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| Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"Yes. Switch Twitter account off for a few weeks. Ergo...it never happened. I mean these cranks crave people taking them seriously. They always turn out to be desperately sad little boys. Just ignore them.'"
It's ironic that your avatar is John Lennon when you say don't worry about it and ignore the threat.
Most people who post death threats on Twitter are indeed idiots just thinking they can wind someone up while remaining anonymous. BUT as John lennon proved, some are cranks that follow through.
They need to be found and dealt with.
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| Quote ="PopTart"It's ironic that your avatar is John Lennon when you say don't worry about it and ignore the threat.
Most people who post death threats on Twitter are indeed idiots just thinking they can wind someone up while remaining anonymous. BUT as John lennon proved, some are cranks that follow through.
They need to be found and dealt with.'"
Yes of course, John Lennon was one of the most famous and recognisable men in the world. I think Ben is safe, don't you?
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| Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"Yes of course, John Lennon was one of the most famous and recognisable men in the world. I think Ben is safe, don't you?'"
He's known well enough by the people who care about this subject.
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| Kieron Cunningham received no ban whatsoever when he forearmed a player in the face whilst on the floor, and fractured said player's eye-socket (Stosic of Wakefield). No ban, no threat of police, for what was a far worse incident. It is just a shame that Flower didn't keep his composure, because he's NOT a dirty player, far from it; but had he done so it should have been St Helens down to 12 men for the match, and I suspect they would have lost by more than 40 points.
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| YOU LOST FLOWER WAS A DISGRACE GET OVER IT
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| Quote ="ploinerrhino"YOU LOST FLOWER WAS A DISGRACE GET OVER IT'"
Do you mean like you clearly have?
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