Can you provide the calculations to your finding?

Yes. Watch the game and look at the pass. Alternatively, read the match report on the BBC website.

yes and we all know how good the beeb is towards rugby league lol

Quote ="pies-r-us"Where is this so called “momentum rule” is it in the rule book? Don’t listen to that Dewsbury dew-drop Stevo; he sees things no one else does. He also says things like, a kicked ball can dissect the winger and fullback; DISSECTED, does he mean BISECTED? I thought when you dissected something you cut something up, like a dead body. If he’s right there must have been a lot more blood than usual on the pitch. He said a player couldn’t forward pass to himself! Well if that’s true they must have been playing gridiron.'" Here it is (albeit that the game is goverened by laws, not rules) www.therfl.co.uk/a_guide_to_the_ ... rward_pass =#FF0040Direction of Pass 1. The direction of a pass is relative to the player making it and not to the actual path relative to the ground. A player running towards his opponents’ goal line may throw the ball towards a colleague who is behind him but because of the thrower’s own momentum the ball travels forward relative to the ground. This is not a forward pass as the thrower has not passed the ball forward in relation to himself. This is particularly noticeable when a running player makes a high, lobbed pass. It doesn't matter if the ball travels forward. It matters if it was passed forward. You might not like it, it may fry your brain, but it's a fact. Now, chances are, if the ball travels forwards the ball was passed forward but it's not a pre-requisite.

Quote ="pies-r-us"Where is this so called “momentum rule” is it in the rule book? Don’t listen to that Dewsbury dew-drop Stevo; he sees things no one else does. He also says things like, a kicked ball can dissect the winger and fullback; DISSECTED, does he mean BISECTED? I thought when you dissected something you cut something up, like a dead body. If he’s right there must have been a lot more blood than usual on the pitch. He said a player couldn’t forward pass to himself! Well if that’s true they must have been playing gridiron.'" Here it is (albeit that the game is goverened by laws, not rules) www.therfl.co.uk/a_guide_to_the_ ... rward_pass =#FF0040Direction of Pass 1. The direction of a pass is relative to the player making it and not to the actual path relative to the ground. A player running towards his opponents’ goal line may throw the ball towards a colleague who is behind him but because of the thrower’s own momentum the ball travels forward relative to the ground. This is not a forward pass as the thrower has not passed the ball forward in relation to himself. This is particularly noticeable when a running player makes a high, lobbed pass. It doesn't matter if the ball travels forward. It matters if it was passed forward. You might not like it, it may fry your brain, but it's a fact. Now, chances are, if the ball travels forwards the ball was passed forward but it's not a pre-requisite.

It was passed forward

I agree, it was a forward pass. It was passed forward and it travelled forward.

My post was helping pies-r-us to understand the laws of the game. He did ask to be fair.

The forward pass is irrelevant , Warrington were by far the better team . We never looked like winning that game

I don't see how anyone can blame the ref yesterday. Clutching at straws. Wigan were out played and beaten in every single department. Blaming the ref is quite frankly embarrassing. The score and the responsibility of the performance lies with the team and the coach. In all fairness I think the scoreline flattered Wigan.

And yes I do feel the attack has become predictable, why do you think Sam was kept so quiet? It's almost null Sam, null Wigan.

Don't think anyone is blaming the ref. I'm certainly not.

Some comments seemed more focused on forward passes etc... but yes I know you're not. my comment wasn't aimed at you.

I don't think anybody is claiming it did effect the result, but forward passes have been an issue throughout the season. This was a shocker, but i for one have come to expect them. But i suppose thats the nature of sport.

To sum it up we bottled it. That's why we were making mistakes. As the game had got to us. Similar to Leeds in the CC semi and arguably the playoff game with Saints last season.

My Plan B would be to tell Wane to shut the hell up and stop piling so much pressure on the players throughout the season.

i think we looked below par fitness wise even before we take into account the amount of defence we had to put in. for me when it comes to the really big games that we regards as "must win", whether in knockout rugby or in the league, we just dont have the bottle and desire to go through and execute because Wane treats every game like a final.

the season, both physically and mentally is now catching up on us and is definitely taking its toll. it has shown ever since the Leeds CC Semi Final, if not before. also, why keep jack on the bench until the 70th minute?? its like Madge all over again!

i do think we will finish top but unless we can get some inspiration from a returning (AND FIT!) richards and tommy then i'd bank on another loss to saints or catalans in the playoffs as per usual.

From the RFL, pretty clear to me.

[iDirection of Pass 1. The direction of a pass is relative to the player making it and not to the actual path relative to the ground. A player running towards his opponents’ goal line may throw the ball towards a colleague who is behind him but because of the thrower’s own momentum the ball travels forward relative to the ground. This is not a forward pass as the thrower has not
passed the ball forward in relation to himself. This is particularly noticeable when a running player makes a high, lobbed pass.[/i

Gubbed by a far better team ...........END OFF

Thank you, I understand that, but I don’t think this is what some people mean (Stevo} by the momentum rule, if this was the case there would be no ambiguity. To me, if the ball when released is at an angle which forward of the hands, then that’s it, it’s a forward pass; and it shouldn’t matter where the receiver is when he catches it, in front of the passer (if the passer stops his run) or behind him, if they both run on, or in the South stand, it’s a forward pass! Thanks again.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. As it stands there's no ambiguity; a pass is forward relative to the player making it. It doesn't matter whether the passer overruns it, whether the receiver appears to catch it 5 yards forward, how far it appears to travel in relation to the ground or anything else.

The rule as it is makes it pretty clear that if it's released forward then it is forward.

Correct it's to do with the player who makes the pass not the receiver.

The "momentum rule" doesn't exist, except in Stevo's mind.

That and the text above from the Laws of Rugby League which explains the role of momentum in the pass and why the ball travelling forward over the round is not necessarily a forward pass. I believe that this law is exactly what Stevo talks about.

However, technically there isn't any "rule" as Rugby League is governed by Laws rather than rules.

The momentum 'rule' doesn't exist but momentum is mentioned within the laws of the game regarding forward passes.

While it's one of Stevo's many annoying phrases, he's copped a lot of unfair stick for actually making the point that the momentum of the passing player can make judging whether a pass if fair or forward very difficult. He may make the point badly, but it's still a fair point.

Travel on a train doing 100mph, walk from the front to the back.

In your environment you're travelling backwards but in truth unless you're walking faster than 100mph, you're travelling forwards.

The ball in a pass in real terms travels forwards but due to the ball being passed at pace it's slower than the player passing thus travelling 'backwards' in relation to the player.

This is the 'momentum rule', not an actual rule of the game but it is a rule of physics.

It is a law of physics, but I'm not sure I would use the example you gave!

The short version is that you have to look at the direction of the ball in relation to his body when he RELEASES the ball.

If the ball is going backwards relative to the velocity of the body (whether or not the body actually continues on it's course), then the pass is ok.

The key point to appreciate is that the relative position of the ball to the ground is not relevant to the rule.

Therefore in theory, it's quite possible for me to make the pass on the half way line and for the receiver to catch the ball 10 yards further up the pitch, and the pass would still not be forward.

In theory it's even possible for the receiver to catch the ball under the opposition posts and it would still not be forward.

You are Usain Bolt and I claim my £10.

Actually, any competent 100m sprinter could do it. The ball would only have to stay in the air for 5 seconds or so (ignoring air resistance, as physics problems typically do)...