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| Quote ="MattyB"On the other side of the coin we had someone like Schofield who was successful in a dozen or so international matches (although we won nothing of note), yet was pretty poor for much of his domestic career.....and yet, he is looked fondly upon (in Yorkshire anyway) as an eighties legend.
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Schofield was a great player who proved he was world class over a long period of time, I also think he played in a time when we had quite a lot of world class players playing over here so it was easier to see if players were actually that good but now there is only a few and we are streets behind the Aussies as opposed to the 80s/90s where most of the time we gave them a run for their money with the odd win. Its sad but when it comes to the National game he might not be as good as people think.
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| Sam's got an even bigger challenge than the Aussies, according to Eddie. If you listen to the commentary around the 63 minute mark he reveals that Sam is favourite for the Grand National, if he gets there.
Now there's no bigger fan of Sam than me, but I think even he may struggle to get over Becher's Brook and the Chair faster than 40 horses....
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| Sam was yet again superb last night and it is frightening to think how good this lad could be. It's only his 1st full season playing at FB and only his 2nd full season in SL and he looks nailed on to be Man of Steel with performances like tonight.
I suppose its too much to ask at this moment in time and it mainly comes down to jealously, but it seems very hard for opposition fans to realise how good this player really is. We watch him week in week out, he is far from one dimensional, despite his size and what opposition fans believe to be true he is very good defensively and also improving dramatically in the air. Only need to look at the Saints Cup Semi game for evidence of that. Trust us when we say he is one hell of a player!
I have no doubt he will become one of the all time great Wigan players and fans of Super League will be able to just sit back and enjoy what this player can produce over the next ten years.
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| Quote ="rustler7"Schofield was a great player who proved he was world class over a long period of time, I also think he played in a time when we had quite a lot of world class players playing over here so it was easier to see if players were actually that good but now there is only a few and we are streets behind the Aussies as opposed to the 80s/90s where most of the time we gave them a run for their money with the odd win. Its sad but when it comes to the National game he might not be as good as people think.'"
Actually your post says more about the standard of our international set up rather than Sam's own ability. Like I said above, unless he destroys the Aussies on his own you're going to think he's not as good as we think he is despite the fact he'll be playing under an inadequate coach, against a team that will be better than us in most areas.
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| Quote ="crackfox"he had a really good chip and chase but for me at international level he was never fast enough.
you cant beat pace.'"
You are joking right Schoey had eletric pace, in the GB camp they said over the first 30 he was as quick as offiah.
Re tomkin awesome talent and the stand out form player in SL, but there are a good few kids in Oz just as good! The warriors have just unveiled their new star who will be the kiwi 7 this year! Shaun Johnson! He scored a try against the broncs that was sublime! If tomkin had scored it the sky team and you pies would have shot your bolt on mass!
Tomkin is awesome no doubt. He needs to fulfill his potential and it's impossible to do that in SL
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"You are joking right Schoey had eletric pace, in the GB camp they said over the first 30 he was as quick as offiah.
Re tomkin awesome talent and the stand out form player in SL, but there are a good few kids in Oz just as good! The warriors have just unveiled their new star who will be the kiwi 7 this year! Shaun Johnson! He scored a try against the broncs that was sublime! If tomkin had scored it the sky team and you pies would have shot your bolt on mass!
Tomkin is awesome no doubt. He needs to fulfill his potential and it's impossible to do that in SL'"
As quick as Offiah over the first 30? Who said that? Was Schofield on a motorbike?
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| I think Sam is gay his ball handling skills last night was better than Dale Winton's
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| Quote ="21-12"Best player in SL by a distance.
WILL become a legend of the game in this country.'"
How long can Superleague and RL hold onto him though?
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| Quote ="king warrior"I think Sam is gay his ball handling skills last night was better than Dale Winton's'"
How do you know how good Dale Winton's ball handling skills are?
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| Quote ="Dawg"How do you know how good Dale Winton's ball handling skills are?'" You told me
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| Quote ="king warrior"You told me
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| Quote ="Dawg"How long can Superleague and RL hold onto him though?'"
I'm pretty sure Sam once said in an interview he'd never play union because he finds it boring and would see less of the ball. Only way we'll lose Sam IMO is if he goes to NRL but he gets homesick just going on tour .
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| Quote ="21-12"Best player in SL by a distance.
WILL become a legend of the game in this country.'"
best attacking runner no doubt! To dismiss defence, go forward and the ability to control/run a game is very one dimensional opinion! Tomkin is awesome but has a long way to go.
The fact he is the standout talent in SL for sure and is pretty much an opportunistic broken runner, with a magic step, an ok kicking game and a passing game that needs plenty of work says much more about SL as a comp really. I think tomkin would go great in the NRL but that's where he needs to go to go through the gears! Widdop is a much more complete player than tomkin already.
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"best attacking runner no doubt! To dismiss defence, go forward and the ability to control/run a game is very one dimensional opinion! Tomkin is awesome but has a long way to go.
The fact he is the standout talent in SL for sure and is pretty much an opportunistic broken runner, with a magic step, an ok kicking game and a passing game that needs plenty of work says much more about SL as a comp really. I think tomkin would go great in the NRL but that's where he needs to go to go through the gears! Widdop is a much more complete player than tomkin already.'"
You forgot to mention he's rubbish in defence?
And he is playing at FB, so his kicking game is limited at the moment. When he does come in to kick he does a very good job. I would say his kicking game is more than ok.
But what do I know? Your a Leeds fan and see much more of him...
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| Quote ="Deano G"As quick as Offiah over the first 30?
Who said that? Was Schofield on a motorbike?
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I think it was hanley who was the quickest in the gb team over 10
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| Quote ="Coventry Warrior!"You forgot to mention he's rubbish in defence?
And he is playing at FB, so his kicking game is limited at the moment. When he does come in to kick he does a very good job. I would say his kicking game is more than ok.
But what do I know? Your a Leeds fan and see much more of him...'"
God your defensive! I'm not slaging tomkin at all. Infect quite the opposite and you can't handle it!
As we speak Shaun Johnson has just gone 90m to score again.
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"God your defensive! I'm not slaging tomkin at all. Infect quite the opposite and you can't handle it!
As we speak Shaun Johnson has just gone 90m to score again.'"
Not really, it's just funny listening to opposition fans telling us how he isn't really as good as we believe, when a majority of fans on this forum watch him week in and week out. It's like me saying Ben Jones-Bishop is average because he can't catch a ball, when in reality I can't really comment because I havent seen enough of him.
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| Quote Dixie from Leeds wrote: So basically he's going to just not be THAT good.
I think Mcbanana knows Tomkins is the key to his backs. If he is a freak and a great talent then he really should be able to produce something, even if it's not consistent.
I'll just find it all a little underwhelming after tomkins this year has been hyped as world class etc etc..
And Edwards was poop '"
Proves my point about Sam in the tri-nations, but this posters final comment tells you what kind of person this contributor is.
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| Quote ="Coventry Warrior!"Not really, it's just funny listening to opposition fans telling us how he isn't really as good as we believe, when a majority of fans on this forum watch him week in and week out. It's like me saying Ben Jones-Bishop is average because he can't catch a ball, when in reality I can't really comment because I havent seen enough of him.'"
I think with SL CC, England, sky and BBC most RL fans see a fair bit of tomkin/Wigan and the other title contenders. It's not like some private club. The reason you haven't seen much of BJB is he's been injured and Leeds are crap so arnt on telly as much.
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| Quote ="shaun_edwards_cheekbone"Proves my point about Sam in the tri-nations, but this posters final comment tells you what kind of person this contributor is.'"
Edwards was about 12 stone wet and hit as hard as most! He was a bloody good defender! And was sublime in attack! And the genuine king of support play!
That comment you highlight is obviously someone who didn't watch him play.
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| IMO Sam should be getting MOS this season! He's just outstanding.
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"I think with SL CC, England, sky and BBC most RL fans see a fair bit of tomkin/Wigan and the other title contenders. It's not like some private club. The reason you haven't seen much of BJB is he's been injured and Leeds are crap so arnt on telly as much.'"
Il give you that, IMO Ben Jones Bsihop is a future star of SL, looks a terrific winger.
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"I think with SL CC, England, sky and BBC most RL fans see a fair bit of tomkin/Wigan and the other title contenders. It's not like some private club. The reason you haven't seen much of BJB is he's been injured and Leeds are crap so arnt on telly as much.'"
I'll get to see him next weekend, just hope he doesnt cause us too many problems!
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| Quote ="Coventry Warrior!"I'll get to see him next weekend, just hope he doesnt cause us too many problems!'"
Interesting one, on our day Leeds can beat anyone. Can Leeds turnover the pies in the form they are in? I very much doubt it but it's a final owt can happen!
My family and mates that are going are looking forward to this years day out more than last! Nobody is going really expecting a win! anything other than a good day and a few drinks would be a bonus.
I will be gathering my Aussie rules loving family around the TV(with Low expectations)
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"Interesting one, on our day Leeds can beat anyone. Can Leeds turnover the pies in the form they are in? I very much doubt it but it's a final owt can happen!
My family and mates that are going are looking forward to this years day out more than last! Nobody is going really expecting a win! anything other than a good day and a few drinks would be a bonus.
I will be gathering my Aussie rules loving family around the TV(with Low expectations)'"
Games between us this season have been very close and you're right we are the form team, however Leeds have showed on 2 occasions they are more than capable of matching us. I think it will be a close game again and will come down to some individual brilliance whether thats from Tomkins, McGuire etc
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