He was more than that, he was a Karate Instructor 3rd Dan Blackbelt.

Could have got into a bit of trouble at the CC Final (Wire v Wigan), Iro scored and threw the ball at Drummonds face due to a dirty tackle. Drummond took offence and threw probably one of the hardest punches ever seen, karate punch to the chin.

To be fair to Iro, he handled it very well (his neck went back and then he laid into Iro, mass brawl ensued).

Give over..hes a tough lad but you went one step to far for that. he does brazilian jui jitsu at bolton now

I did think he had a few Dan's to be honest, didn't know he was an instructor though, he is a true hard man though no doubt about that, and a nice fella as well, spoke to him watching Leigh East last season, and he still looks fit as a fiddle.

Please don'tthink me biased but Drummond was/is probably the hardest player ever

Sonny Bill/ Mason can handle themselves due to boxing training but i'd put money on a martial arts expert over a boxer any day.

Rugby players are built to take more punishment than your normal person but that just means they'd last longer toe to toe rather than just going down straight away.

He also ran a pub in moss side i think, now that takes balls too

REALLY....

I seen him hide behind a load of Leeds players when Lee Radford went looking for him last season..

As a Barrow fan I'd just like to throw my hat into the ring with 2 of my teams legends from the past and 2 from the present.

The Past
Frank Foster - Tough isn't a strong enough word. Alex Murphy would spend most of the match hiding from big Frank. Very classy player in his day as well.
Eddie Szymala - Mad as a hatter but a real hard man and great character who can still be seen on the terraces at Craven Park. Sent off 13 times in his career and famous for a brawl with Kevin Tamati in the tunnel during the 1983 Lancashire Cup Final after both had been sin-binned. Barrow (then a Division 2 team) went on to beat Cup Kings Widnes that day. Widnes had the likes of Gregory and Lydon in their ranks. Eddie also played for England and GB.

The Present
Gary Broadbent - In 2010 he missed his first matches in Pro RL for 6 years. Ever present and freakishly tough for his size.
Brett McDermott - Coalman by day, RL Warrior at the weekends. If ever you meet Barrie McDermott, ask him about his namesake Brett when Widnes played Barrow at Craven Park.

Boxing is a martial art...

ok then, but take just a boxing background in to something like UFC and see how long you last.

I know there is a lot of mixed martial arts in that but there are a few who have a stand alone technique, boxing is too restrictive. dodge weave punch

Mick Cassidy

He wore a skull cap, big jesse

Hmmm. According to [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Des_DrummondWikipedia[/url and other sources it wasn't karate at all, but judo, and he was British Amateur Judo Champion - and I know he took some judo/wrestling sessions at Rochdale last year. The karate legend seems to be nothing more than an urban myth.

I'm not saying he wasn't a remarkable athlete and person, and a tough cookie, but let's try and inject a bit of truth into the hype surrounding Drummond's invincibility.

It was a cracker...!! Better than your old "Arms back/John Wayne style punches" you see too much of these days. haha

Tallis

Quote ="Mr.No.It.All"Tallis'" Quote The Wigan and Great Britain prop was involved in a fist-fight in Brisbane that came close to matching the notoriety of Holyfield-Tyson and Lewis- Akinwande. More solid punches were landed than in either of those bouts, most of them around O'Connor's head by the Brisbane Broncos' Gorden Tallis. =#800000"I didn't do too badly with the couple I got in," O'Connor says. "=#800000Broke his nose."'" Quote =#800000And O'Connor, who claimed after their bout in Brisbane that his wife hits harder than Tallis, has promised to follow his coach's advice when the two men come face to face again tonight.'" www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugb ... 51648.html

Quote ="Mr.No.It.All"Tallis'" Quote The Wigan and Great Britain prop was involved in a fist-fight in Brisbane that came close to matching the notoriety of Holyfield-Tyson and Lewis- Akinwande. More solid punches were landed than in either of those bouts, most of them around O'Connor's head by the Brisbane Broncos' Gorden Tallis. =#800000"I didn't do too badly with the couple I got in," O'Connor says. "=#800000Broke his nose."'" Quote =#800000And O'Connor, who claimed after their bout in Brisbane that his wife hits harder than Tallis, has promised to follow his coach's advice when the two men come face to face again tonight.'" www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugb ... 51648.html

Quote ="MattyB"icon_mrgreen.gif www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugb ... 51648.html'" Still though, looks as though he eats bricks for breakfast. He destroyed O'Connor

Quote ="MattyB"icon_mrgreen.gif www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugb ... 51648.html'" Still though, looks as though he eats bricks for breakfast. He destroyed O'Connor

Yet came off worse.

...and in my opinion, he carried out the most cowardly act I have ever seen on a rugby pitch! Deliberately running in full steam to elbow Morley square on the jaw as he was being held up by his Wigan team-mates.

Really? Despite watching Sonny Nickle weekly?

Yep, really!!
Sonny Nickle was no angel, but I have never seen him do anything as cowardly as that.

Ballcocks. Nickle went in with elbows, fists, knees every week. He just wasn't skilful enough to connect properly, whereas our Mick (looking for a bit of retribution after a cheap smash on Robbie McCormack) managed it first time. Not nice, but don't pretend your lot didn't go in for nasty stuff - like Fogerty and his headbutt for example.


Watch the video. Tallis looks good and lands a few by throwing them first, but when Terry connects he splats Gordon's nose all over Brisbane. When they go off Terry is just pssed off, but Tallis has to go down on his haunches holding his streaming nose, having been smacked good n' proper.

So bust nose = loss?

Tallis easily won that one. Not saying O Connor is soft, hes not, but only a wigan fan would claim he got the better of Tallis

Watch it on YouTube. Morley runs at him. No one is 'holding him up'. Not condoning it but it was retribution for morley's cheap shot on McCormack.

I'm a Saints fan. I'd say the it was pretty even and Tallis came off much worse for it.

There's a video on you tube interveiwing Tallis about it, who speaks about it in very good humour. Apparently O'Connor had been sledging the brisbane players and Tallis decided to do something about it - "it didn't go as well as I'd hoped" were along the words he used.

If I remember rightly O'Connor is off balance and Tallis attacks first. O'Connor does well to stay on his feet and lands good shots of his own. Probably a draw but Tallis started it and O'Connor more than held his own.

you mean like Belfort exd UFC champ?...you are clueles