I don't get why we need to have a fulltime coach at all especially if the only one willing to do it is second rate(at best).

I'd be much happier if we had a part time coach that was top class rather then a fulltime one that is pathetic. I'd give the job on a part time basis to a coach like Nathan Brown or Maguire if they were willing to take it. They're forward thinking coaches that get the best from their players and aren't afraid to rattle a few cages.

They were given 3 tries which should have been chalked off without any question.

The ref constantly gave all the 50/50 calls their way, some in crutial positions e.g. Goulding ball steel.

We made a break with a short pass to Cudjoe given as forward and yet when they do it every set its not given.

We were disallowed a try which should have been given 'benefit of doubt' (it would have been given for them).

DISGRACE.

Extremely Crap - Cudjoe, Atkins, O'Loughlin

Cr*p - Briscoe, Goulding

Average - S.Tomkins, J.Tomkins, Westwood, Harrison, Lunt, Burgess, Ellis, Fielden

Acceptable performance - Graham, Roby, Crabtree, Robinson

In the last 5 minutes we knew the game was lost and we were out of the Four Nations so why didnt we go about and knock a few heads off? Ref was rubbish but we were never going to win.

Dont know what your screwing your face up for, England players would of got great satisfaction out of it.

'Benefit of the doubt' should be when the video ref cant see one way or the other it was a clear camera shot so should of been try or no try

Coventry Warrior!, WTF are you on about? what does that achieve?

How was O'Loughlin extremely crap? He was a damn site better than Fielden or Sam Tomkins who you say were average.

For me one of the biggest disappointments was Sam who I thought was very poor today and showed that he still has a long way to go.

Yet again it was our ball control that let us down, why everyone was praying for rain was beyond me, we couldn't hold on to it playing in the middle of the Sahara so we didn't have much chance in a drenched Melbourne. We throw a pass when it isn't on, everything we do is "off the cuff" . The first 15mins when we stuck to a game plan was superb we were making easy yards with quick play the balls and hard drives and then for whatever reason we start to go back to the same old story of trying to score on every play, its so bloody annoying but moreso......so predictable

Bring back the biff!

I cant stand blatent cheating tbh. The Aussies will be put back in there place though over the next 2 weeks by NZ. Nothing I seen today suggests they can beat NZ at all.

That is of little consolation

You can move Briscoe into the extremely crap category too...
Goulding crap? He didn't put a foot wrong.
Westwood played as well as Graham.

Crabtree was very average aswell.

He played abit like Feka plays at Wigan today. He put Cameron Smith on his with a decent charge but besides that offered very little.

Australia were there for the taking. Too much dropped ball and some dodgy reffing.

Best team won but far better than the last time Down under

agree, Goulding was penalised for a clear ball steal that will go down as a handling error, apart from that he looked confident, got involved even when injured and kept in position in defence not much more you can ask for in a completely beaten side who couldn't cope with the speed of the Aussie defensive line.

Some people think Tom Briscoe can do no wrong when for the 2nd week running he did sweet FA. How people can say he played better, or even the same, as Goulding is beyond me. Briscoe made 3 runs the entire game ffs and was at fault for tries. 3 runs for a wingers is shocking.

Goulding did nothing wrong bar 1 knock on when the ball was actually stripped and wasnt at fault for any tries. Goulding won 2 penalties with clever dummy half runs, one of which led to a try, made more than twice as many runs as Briscoe and more than twice as many metres whilst also making more tackles. Indeed Goulding made more metres than any other back. This is despite being injured for most of the second half. Goulding was also much better than Briscoe last week.

I agree that Westwood played well too

It's what the aussies would have done had they been losing.

I'd like to say that it was one of the worse performances by a team of officials that I have seen in a RL match. However it's pretty much standard issue when you play Australia with Australian officials. Neutrals won't watch international RL when the home team get 3 scores (they don't need) given to them.

Roby and Westwood were our best players again. It's hard to be critical of Sam, they watched him like a hawk. Not much he could do behind a beaten pack!

Archer's performance was reminiscent of Bentham at his best ( ie worst) last season and the injustices perpetrated by the VR also reminded me of several 95/5 calls that went against Wigan.

The first "mistake" he made in England's favour was the kick which Westwood played after approx 60 minutes. but he judged it to have struck Westwood. The problem was that England were 18 points down by then. Missing those 2 forward passes while pinging the Briscoe to Atkins one ( which was probably a couple of inches forward - not 1 to 2 feet or even a yard forward for the Aussie try) was just criminal and/or totally inept.

The RL have to insist that Bentham is ref for the 4 Nations games against Australia next year with Thaler or Ganson (if available) as VR. And let them watch today's game the night before the England v Australia game and remind them that blatant bias to the home team seems to be permitted.

The annoying thing is that it could have been a brilliant and exciting game - which the Aussies would still probably have won. Not one that was more or less all over by half time - or it was when the final forward pass try was awarded. Rugby league is so much a game of possession and momentum nowadays and blatant mistakes can have a crucial impact on the outcome. Giving a scrum rather than a penalty to England for the stripping of the ball from Goulding was where it all started - until then England had had the Aussies on the rack for almost 10 minutes. But no, scrum awarded then VR try and all momentum shifted to Australia. A couple more Aussie tries soon followed. In reality, England should have been attacking in the Aussie 20 while 8-6 up.

Wrong again.

Unlike you I can make an honest assessment of the players regardless of where they ply there trade at club level.

I thought Graham was our best player he really is playing hard for a contract over there aint he.

For mine our best 3 players were Roby, Westwood and Robinson.

Roby was simply outstanding and from a Wigan point of view could give us massive problems next season playing like that. Westwood was everywhere in defence it seemed in the first half especially. And Robinson showed he can be tricky with ball in hand because of the way he switches the angles of his body, it makes defenders uncertain.

Whilst Graham played OK in my opinion he shouldn't be our captain. His style of play and manner on the field is quite a raw and emotive persona. I think with some calm captain we would have better positioned ourselves. With that being said my choices would be either Lockers or Burgess or maybe Roby because he can get us ticking and lift us from the play the ball.

Yep similar to the aussie defence when 5' 3" Robinson ghosted through and Robinson is the size of a 3 yr old

Many blokes were average today but not seen Joel mentioned, I was really disappointed with him in the last 2 games. he has just been ineffective. looks awesome in sl but hasn't made the step up yet for me.

too true. You need only look at before and after the first mistake. The not-a-knock-on. Before we had a plan and were firing on all cylinders. We could have given them a cricket score. But after we were dejected and it was obvious that nothing was gonna go well.

After half time. A fresh team and really showed how it was don and then more refing mistakes and the same happens. There were glimpses of greatness but it is an inexperienced side that was fighting 14 men on the pitch and 1 in the box. Was never gonna happen with those odds against you.