He's a very good player with the potential to be one of the best in the game but he's not there yet. Really looking forward to how he goes in the internationals, linking up with the likes of Burgess and Ellis.

He's done nothing to be mentioned in the same breath as Hayne, Inglis, Slater, Lockyer etc yet though. The comment on Sky about him and Lockyer was embarrassing, then again, it did come from the same people who proclaimed Paul Wellens as the best FB in the world.

Its premature, but not embarassing. He certainly has the potential to be one of a very small group of English players who can be ranked alongside the great Aussie players of the modern era. He is already much ahead of Wellens at his peak. Sam is a player of great natural gifts and an Edwards-esque will to win. He still hasn't fulfilled all his potential, which isn't a criticism, he just keeps getting better and better - I don't think any of us know just how good he can be but he clearly isn't finished developing yet. His form in recent weeks has been awesome.

The rest of SL must be very worried about next season when he will team up with Finch to work with a sensational pack. I believe that 2011 will be the year when - barring injuries - Sam will write his name in the history books as a legend of Wigan and British RL, in much the same way as Pat Richards has with a season in which he has been the epitome of the complete modern RL winger.

Is pulling a player off the ball an edge? NO

Is trapping a guys arm in a position where either the ball will get stripped if he pulls out or get done for holding down an edge? YES

There is a massive diffrence and i aint just saying it cause he's one of our players it's very clever if you cant see it then you know nothing

How old are you mate? You strike me as being of the younger generation?

It's cheating. He's trying to con the ref and milk a penalty. Simple as!

Easily dealt with by the ref, and if he doesn't, then I'm sure the players will have already worked out that an elbow (accidentally of course) into Tomkins face whist attempting to get back to their feet, may just convince him to mend his ways.

And we all can then get on and enjoy the game.

26 but 6 in head

Wow show me in the rules where it says anything about it!

Pulling someone off the ball like what mcguire did is a yellow card and in some cases a red

It's the responsibilty of both players to regain their feet as quickly as possible.

Sam will get it everytime cause of his size whats he going to do with a 15st guy on top of him

By holding onto the player though he isn't attempting to regain his feet. Can get penalised for it, full credit to him for doing it though, keep on until he get's caught.

Well you say that but he doesn't seem to be getting penalised for it and the ref's view (as heard from Ganson's own lips) is "if you don't want your arm trapping, don't put it in there!" Seems fair enough to me.

As an aside to this particular argument I remember last season Sean O'Loughlin getting penalised when he couldn't free his arm because Sinfield had it clamped under his arm. This was even MORE obvious than anything Sam does as BOTH PLAYERS WERE STOOD UP!!! Where were the Leeds fans complaining about the blatent cheating of their captain on that occassion? Strangely quiet, as I remember. Even stranger is the fact that Sinfield thought it was ok in that instance too. Weird that, eh?