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| Will they have toilets at this new stadium?
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| Quote ="Ski"The stadium WILL be owned by St Helens RLFC.
It has been set at 18,000 with a view to aiming for those as a regular attendance for the time being, with the possibility that if popularity were to improve, there is then room for growth. This is a very long term aspiration, however. Although market research done in 2007/8 showed that the location put many people off attending. The new stadium is a short walk away from every district of St Helens via the bus station. Some people have to take 3 or 4 buses to Knowsley Road.
As for any trouble with finance over the next season, Eamonn, and other board directors are worth a pretty penny. After next season, the plan is for the new stadium to be used year round, not just for sport, but utilising the facilities it will house with the centre of the St Helens business focusing around the stadium.
I'll take a year of chemical poisoning for the long term future of the club.'"
Good luck to you. I'm all for RL improving in each and every RL area and this can only improve Saints.
Hopefull it will lead to an increase in fans and most important younger fans that will be the lifeblood of the club fro 70 years+.
The ground will not be owned by St Helens for a good few years. How much will the ground cost?
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| Quote ="Dougy"Good luck to you. I'm all for RL improving in each and every RL area and this can only improve Saints.
Hopefull it will lead to an increase in fans and most important younger fans that will be the lifeblood of the club fro 70 years+.
The ground will not be owned by St Helens for a good few years. How much will the ground cost?'"
The ground WILL be owned by St Helens RLFC. The board have put up a large amount of cash to get this through, along with the value of sale of KR. The council have paid for infrastructure improvements, and the NWDC made a generous donation to the costs.
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| Quote ="Ski"The ground WILL be owned by St Helens RLFC. The board have put up a large amount of cash to get this through, along with the value of sale of KR. The council have paid for infrastructure improvements, and the NWDC made a generous donation to the costs.'"
If you pay a mortgage, you technically don't own the house.
Either way it a nonsense argument. I'm genuinely glad for you that you are moving to a better ground. It can only good for the improvement of RL.
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| Am I the only one a tad jealous? Yes I know it's not been built yet but it's only a matter of time till it is, and yes I know we have our own superb stadium. But Saints will own theirs and be able to do with it what they like, and most important of all they won't be bossed around by a damn football club.
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| St.Helens will only own a percentage of the ground, along with Tesco, the council, Langtree, and Taylor Wimpey.
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| How come Saints played today instead of Friday?
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| Quote ="TheSurgeon"St.Helens will only own a percentage of the ground, along with Tesco, the council, Langtree, and Taylor Wimpey.'"
and the percentage of the DW that wigan warriors own is ?????????????
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| Quote ="TheSurgeon"St.Helens will only own a percentage of the ground, along with Tesco, the council, Langtree, and Taylor Wimpey.'"
Tesco will own nothing of the ground, Tesco were used to help St Helens buy the land.
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| SO neither Wigan or St Helens will own thier stadium. Not very good for RL.
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| Nope!
St helens RLFC WILL own the ground!!
Show some class mate instead of jealousy, we won't have landlords, or the huge costs of KR just to keep it to an acceptable standard, and will benefit massively from an all year round stadium, in sponsorship, advertising, and corporate facilities.
Any club would bite your arm off to boast that, and it's happening. I'd play on Ruskin drive for the long term security and opportunities the new stadium brings. A historical moment for the club which will strengthen us no-end.
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| Also handy for the weekly shop at Tesco !!!
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| Quote ="St.Ben"and the percentage of the DW that wigan warriors own is ?????????????'"
I think the council payed for half of the price of the stadium, Whelan payed the other half. I know the go-ahead for the building of the stadium was on the premise that it was used for both RL and football. Whelan wasn't given the go-ahead when it was just WAFC alone, only when Wigan RL joined the party. At first Whelan wanted to buy Wigan RL and move Latics into Central Park.
Again this is a nothing argument. Just a wind up from Saints fans.
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| Quote ="theres only one stan wall"Nope!
St helens RLFC WILL own the ground!!
Show some class mate instead of jealousy, we won't have landlords, or the huge costs of KR just to keep it to an acceptable standard, and will benefit massively from an all year round stadium, in sponsorship, advertising, and corporate facilities.
Any club would bite your arm off to boast that, and it's happening. I'd play on Ruskin drive for the long term security and opportunities the new stadium brings. A historical moment for the club which will strengthen us no-end.'"
And you'll still always be second to Wigan.
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| Quote ="Dougy"I think the council payed for half of the price of the stadium, Whelan payed the other half. I know the go-ahead for the building of the stadium was on the premise that it was used for both RL and football. Whelan wasn't given the go-ahead when it was just WAFC alone, only when Wigan RL joined the party. At first Whelan wanted to buy Wigan RL and move Latics into Central Park.
Again this is a nothing argument. Just a wind up from Saints fans.'"
its not meant to end up in a wind up argument,,it's just hard for a few warriors fans to stomach that saints will have a brand new purpose built rl stadium,,and we will own it !!!
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| Quote ="St.Ben"its not meant to end up in a wind up argument,,it's just hard for a few warriors fans to stomach that saints will have a brand new purpose built rl stadium,,and we will own it !!!'"
Owning your ground doesn't matter a jot. Tell me what difference it'll make?
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| Quote ="Dougy"Owning your ground doesn't matter a jot. Tell me what difference it'll make?'"
Well lets put it this way, i for one wish we had not had to sell out to Whelan, the idea to re-do CP with the money of investors at that time would have been a lot more benificial in the long run to WRLFC and we would not have to dance to the tune of WAFC.
The whole playoff debacle was a disgrace having to move grounds, as stated saints will not have to be the poor relation in there ground.
IMO it matters a hell of a lot.
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| Quote ="8inarow"Well lets put it this way, i for one wish we had not had to sell out to Whelan, the idea to re-do CP with the money of investors at that time would have been a lot more benificial in the long run to WRLFC and we would not have to dance to the tune of WAFC.
The whole playoff debacle was a disgrace having to move grounds, as stated saints will not have to be the poor relation in there ground.
IMO it matters a hell of a lot.'"
AC Milan are tenants in the San Siro. nuff said.
I've seen the models of CP with it all re-done. Looked fantastic. Whelan saved us after Robinson sold CP. If Whelan hadn't bought us, we would have had to have built a brand new ground one way or another.
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| Quote ="Dougy"Quote ="St.Ben"its not meant to end up in a wind up argument,,it's just hard for a few warriors fans to stomach that saints will have a brand new purpose built rl stadium,,and we will own it !!!'"
Owning your ground doesn't matter a jot. Tell me what difference it'll make?'"
Quite simply financial stability, that can secure the long term future of the club.
Since transfer fees are more or less a thing of the past, players aren't really assets any more, however a multi million pound stadium on prime real estate! The stadium will also generate revenue from corporate events, social events etc.
If you buy a pint at the DW who gets the income? If you hire a function room at the DW where does the money go? The money from those kind of products and events at the new saints ground will go to? Yes you guessed it, Saints.
So own our own new purpose built ground or rent it? Sooner be in our shoes than yours thank you very much.
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| Quote ="Dougy"AC Milan are tenants in the San Siro. nuff said.
I've seen the models of CP with it all re-done. Looked fantastic. =#BF0000Whelan saved us after Robinson sold CP. If Whelan hadn't bought us, we would have had to have built a brand new ground one way or another.'"
then had us bent over a barrel and shafted us when it suited him !
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| Quote ="C-Stander"Quite simply financial stability, that can secure the long term future of the club.
Since transfer fees are more or less a thing of the past, players aren't really assets any more, however a multi million pound stadium on prime real estate! The stadium will also generate revenue from corporate events, social events etc.
If you buy a pint at the DW who gets the income? If you hire a function room at the DW where does the money go? The money from those kind of products and events at the new saints ground will go to? Yes you guessed it, Saints.
So own our own new purpose built ground or rent it? Sooner be in our shoes than yours thank you very much.'"
Why don't we build our own new stadium? It can't be cost, if Saints can afford it, we certainly can.
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| Quote ="C-Stander"If you buy a pint at the DW who gets the income? If you hire a function room at the DW where does the money go? The money from those kind of products and events at the new saints ground will go to? '"
So why on Earth do we bother selling those kind of 'products and events'? I'd be interested in your response in the wake of 'The Big One 2'.
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| Quote ="Dougy"Owning your ground doesn't matter a jot. Tell me what difference it'll make?'"
If we owned the DW, these would be the advantages
Revenue from events such as Weddings, Social nights etc
No silly ground venue changes due to the Latics
A large asset (currently the value of Wigan RL is in its players, Orrell training ground, and its gym facilities)
More control over prices of food and drink and extra revenue from sales
Disadvantages
Upkeep is high for a 25k stadium (much higher than the rent we pay)
We would be liable for crowd trouble/damage
Bottom line
Would the council have been willing to fork out to upgrade CP, NO
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| Quote ="Steinlager"So why on Earth do we bother selling those kind of 'products and events'? I'd be interested in your response in the wake of 'The Big One 2'.'"
Good point. Its probably a percentage to Whelan, a pecentage to Wigan.
Didn't the ground cost £32M? Did the council conribute 50% to the price of the ground?
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