Awww ... an attempt to promote solidarity between trolls.







"We know you've never beaten us and we basically regard you as undeserving scum. But don't worry, you're still a great side as your superb defensive record shows. Okay, Wigan have run you very close in that respect this season, but you've done it honestly and fairly, whereas Wigan, as usual, have done it by cheating. You didn't even deserve to lose to them this year - it was a dropped ball. So, all in all, you're a better club followed by better people. Just so long as you keep losing your bottle and giving us an easy ride every time our two teams play, we can move forward in our mutual understanding of how despicable Wigan really are."

The unmistakable voice of another soft get, who will promptly disappear from this board as soon as his team loses.

You didnt deserve to lose to them it was a dropped ball

If you cant catch the ball you cant score a try

As the NRL is being shown free on sky now it's been interesting to see how the refereeing of the two games is different.

Of the games i've seen they tend to let the game flow far more than we do, the number of pens awarded Leeds v Wigan was ridiculous and many other games are the same. The refs seem intent in spotting wrong doing and danger in almost every contact - players should be allowed to make the tackle and allowed to attack when they have the ball.


The thing that is ruining the game is making it all about free yards gained by penalties and not yards gained (or stopped) by good play. We are in danger of turning into RU where there are so many technical offences which are meainingless in a game of rugby.

Two obvious (amongst many) examples in the leeds game, the pens awarded against either teams for having a hand in the tackle when it was blatently clear that they were stuck between ball and arm and if they had pulled out they would have been penalised for stripping.

The same game in aus would have had half that amount and we would have seen far more rugby played - we should be letting the players get on with playing hard, agressive, fast but controlled rugby.

Players have a responsibility to hold onto the ball, part of the job of defending is to stop the player releasing the ball - I can't understand the amount of penalties awarded where the defender has a hand around the ball - he has to otherwise it gets offloaded!

This is where the focus should be.

There is absolutely no question Wigan play open, attractive rugby with the ball in their hand.

There is also absolutely no question Wigan wrestle and effect far slower play the balls than any other team.

I guess the question is - would Wigan be able to continue do the first (which their fans are enjoying so much this season) to the same degree if every other team constantly did the second like Wigan?

I don't see why not as most of our attacking play doesn't come off the back of quick ptb's or offloads in the tackle, it comes from using runners from deep and spreading the ball wide.

That isn't the question the referees are asking. They question the referees are asking is "how can we stop them doing this, when it isn't even illegal?"

It isn't only the defence immediately around the play the ball that is given time to set itself by wrestling and holding down, it's the entire defensive line.

Have you actually watched any Wigan games. Wigan don't slow the play the ball down any more or less than any other team, if they do they get penalised like any other side. What wigan do is slow it down from the point of contact by the defender and the point when the tackle is deemed complete. That gives the defenders the extra few seconds to get set.

Quite, and it's the same question the coaches you lot moan about are asking too - because if it transpires that that is the way forward, we can look forward to some incredibly bland games of rugby to come.

It wasn't so long ago Wigan fans used to moan about Hudds/Quins etc trying to slow games down with negative defensive tactics - I wonder why it is now OK

So basically what every other team wants is a quick play of the ball and 5 scoots and a kick, no expansive rugby or passing, just quick runs from dummy half. Yea thats very exciting

No, they want the same lattitude in attack that Wigan are allowed by other teams not taking 10 seconds to allow a play the ball, which is why they only seem to complain after Wigan games (Wigan aren't the only team that beats other teams, you do realise that don't you?)

Or are you saying Leeds don't play expansive rugby?

The difference is that Wigan slow the tackled play before they put him on the ground. Quins & Hudds put them on the ground and messed around.

If Hetherington wants to know why the game was slow he should look at his pitch. It's the worst pitch in SL by a mile. He has a great team who can play fast open attractive rugby but they can't on that ploughed field.
Leeds management need to sort their own problems out regarding the boggy pitch slowing the game down rather than complain about others.

When Leeds came to Wigan it was they who were slow, they were slow in attack and slow in defence, Wigan were too fast for them in all aspects of the game all night. Hence they were out played and lost convincingly.

Gary Hetherington needs to focus his attention on his own club, the pitch, the slum of a ground, lousy access and no parking. It would still be a great ground if we were living in the 1960's but this is the 21st century and Headingly appears to be nothing more than an uncondemed slum!

Well we've won the most games so go figure, they complain because they are bitter, is it really that annoying seeing us top of the league. If we wernt top there would be hardly a mention of our tatics. Actually watch the game, its getting so tiresome trying to explain this, if you dont like it then tough.

How many more times do we have to explain to morons that we arent actually breaking any rules? Theres a lot of people moaning but they dont even know the fooking rules! I remember Paul Cullen timing the PTBs on tv and we didnt take any longer than other teams but dont let the facts get in the way of a good rant eh?

Thats why it gets so frustrating, they come on here moaning, yet cant seem to understand that there is nothing wrong with our tatics. All these idiots are doing is showing up their lack of understanding of the game OR not watching the game and just reading articles from the all these whining coaches and believing everything they are saying just because its against Wigan....

You do realize how ridiculous you sound there don't you?

You are of course correct about Leeds at Wigan. The reason for that was exactly the reason why Hetherington is saying what he has. Leeds were massively injury hit that day, and therefore stood no chance of competing with Wigan, hence the need to slow the play down at every opportunity.

Slowing the game down is a sign of a poor quality side, not a good side. It is an attempt to even the sides up, and push the rules to the extreme.

Wigan fans obviously have a chip on their shoulder about this and can not see further than their own

. When the salary cap was brought in to even up sides you moaned constantly, here you have a couple of teams pushing the rules to even up games and you think all is well.

What you fail to realize his the full statement that Hetherington gave, and have just been childish and took it as personal. Hetherington actually made those comments before the Wigan match on Saturday, not after it. And is main talking point was about the substitutions and having so many is having a negative effect. But the whole interview of course looks better to this reporter to mention Saturday, and he gets the response he wants, form bitter children.

Quick play the balls weren't breaking any rules either, didn't stop you lot crying because Saints were winning trophies



Anyway, we'll see how it all turns out - once every coach just starts doing the same any advantage to any one team will be gone. It will make the game that bit more dull though.

The only bitter children are the ones whinging about our tatics, if its a sign of a poor team as you put it then fine, were a poor team. But 13 wins out of 15 and top of the league is pretyy dam good for a poor team..

Deny it all you like, but that Leeds team (and the one that got beaten at Saints) was injury plagued. They'd have lost to most sides those two nights.

The Leeds from Saturday is closer to the real Leeds, although it was still missing three genuine game-breakers in Webb/Burrow/Ali and with a half fit Peacock.

They have been the team to beat for 3 years and still are - beating half a Leeds team proves nothing about relative strengths/weaknesses as Saturday and the play-offs will show.

So we were crying about quick play-the-balls as well as crying about Huddersfield and Harlequins slowing the game down.







Do we have to take your word for all this, or are you going to produce some evidence?

And even if you manage to find some, so what?

Since when was it down to the referees, or even the controller of referees, what 'legals' were going to become 'illegals' during the course of a season?

Or do you not care, so long as it's bloody showing Wigan?

There are times when you can be quite a decent poster, but there are others when just you're as soppy a troll as most of the rest.

The playing surface was very poor earlier in the season but is fine now.
Did you really think it resembled a ploughed field on Saturday? It did rain pretty much all day. Was that Hetherington's fault aswell.
You sound bitter and twisted.

Yes - do you not recall? It really wasn't that long ago.



I don't know how to search back seasons or the posts of individuals - if you'd like to tell me how please do.









Watch out for splinters.



Saturday showed that no rules need to be changed to "bloody show Wigan" - you couldn't score a try in 80 minutes and panicked in a big game once more, so you're out of the cup.



I would imagine I'm quite a decent poster when you're winning games, but not when you're particularly tetchy after blowing your biggest chance of silverware in 8 years or so. Chin up.

At least if they do change the rules, you always have the salary cap to blame.

I said poor quality, not poor side. Well done on your wins, but if those wins came with the quality shown on Saturday then paying spectators are sure been short changed.

In the SOO match last Wednesday 7 penalties were awarded in the match, yet in the Leeds Wigan match played in similar conditions 21 penalties were awarded. To be fair I think the count was pretty even but the point is constant interruption from the referee ruined the game.

What has happened to sides earning good field position through hard work? Now all we see are sides playing to get the penalty. In the SOO match most of the game was played in the middle of the field with attacking chances coming off the back of pieces of skill rather than a penalty, and this is the way it should.

If the answer is to move to two referees then so be it, but as per usual the RFL and most of the clubs are to tight to fund something that really would have an impact on what some people feel are negative aspects of our game. Just like the video referee at all matches should have been implemented but wasn't because of tight @rse chairman at sh/t hole clubs not wanting to fork out the brass to imporve the game.

But they havent