Than God there are now a few more seeing the scooter hooker for what they are, failed halfbacks. let's get back to dummy halves who have the craft, skill and passing technique to unlock defences.

Always seen the light bud, how someone can win man of steel for running 8 yards every other tackle is beyond me!

I dont think this is the reason were winning games. its just one small part. Were hitting much harder in the tackle (ask james graham ) were running better lines. Working as a well drilled team. taking chances . Were much fitter. Nearly every aspect of our game has improved under MM and SW. Its just narrow minded and wrong to think us slowing the POTB down a little is winning us games. People should focus on what were doing well. Oh i forget we are Wigan so they wont

Wigan's tactics are perfectly fine imo. They have mastered the art of slowing down the play the ball and Maguire has to be praised for that. As I Saints supporter I was more horrifingly concerned that we completley ignored one of the best centres in SL (Gidley) on the right flank. All our attacking play was down the left and young Chris Dean wouldnt have scored if we were playing now! Our tactics where poor and you deserved your win.

"Controlling" is the word I think your looking for!



Time the PTB's, our defence takes no longer than any others.

Spot on! It is starting to irritate me when people refer to Wigan slowing down the PTB and suggest that the refs are letting them get away with it. All teams get 3 secs after the tackle is complete. Wigan have found a way, through good coaching, to gain an advantage which is exactly what ALL coaches are trying to do!

Agreed - i've never been a big fan of quick play the balls. IMO players should have to fight to get to their feet quickly and not rely on a silly rule that allows them to regain their feet quickly. A slower play the ball will mean that players will have to use their heads more and thus develop their skills for unlocking defences something that has been far too easy due to a quick play the ball.

Saints have had 3 men in the tackle and were the first to have wrestling training and have controlling tactics in place for alot longer than we have, years ago some of us pointed it out but now were doing it its against the spirit of the game? I suppose voluntry tackles, kicking balls on the pitch to stop the game so they can get the line set and offshore payments are just being clever and in order then.

I fully agree, scooting was one of the worst styles of rugby around, look where is got us with Higham/Godwin as hookers.