I'll happily compliment a Saints fan.

All the euphoria is getting to me

Agreed



Of course they don't and that's why they don't often lose to teams like that. No team should expect to win any game.



Partly agreed, but most of the culture is built off-field and I don't think the players we have atm aren't that bad of a bunch together.



Where did I say I was happy to write them off? I'm a realist and as already said, you shouldn't expect to win any game. Some of the teams we've lost against have also beaten Leeds and Saints. It's quite simple that on some days you have to accept you are beaten by the better team and until you can accept that then stupid defeats like that will happen.



Agreed.



As far as I'm aware, Rads was talking about the culture around the Millward era. Obviously we've come a long way since then, so I'll ask again, what culture?

The things you mention happened last year. I don't think the culture at the club is so bad at the moment. At the back end of the season, the players seemed like they were enjoying playing and actually following the coach's orders. Obviously this could go tits up again by the start of next year and it's MM/Wane's job to see that it doesn't but I don't think an overhaul of the clubs culture is necessary.

Wire won the cup after Smith came in and broke them of some very bad habits. Prior to that, they'd done just enough to finish about 5th from the bottom. So that's a very poor analogy.

But I still don't think you understand what we're talking about here. The Wigan culture, or ethos, is far about more than just avoiding drink and drugs. The Wigan ethos, re-established so effectively during the Lowe/Monie era, is about striving to be the best in every possible way, and not just paying lip service to that tenet. It's about refusing to accept, tolerate or even make excuses for mediocrity. It's about not being impressed by getting to five semi-finals, which at the end of the day are completely meaningless if you don't get any further. It's about beating Leeds one week and totally hammering Celtic the next (not losing to them, and thereby rendering the points you earned at Leeds null and void).

It's not about arrogance. It's about ambition. It's not about assuming that you have a right to be the best, but it's about aspiring to be the best, and trying as hard as you can to make that a reality.

You're attitude seems to be that we did pretty well this year, and that that's something to be proud of. You seem to imply that the players enjoy being together, so that means they've got a good culture. You seem to regard embarrassing defeats with a shrug of your shoulders and make the rather glib and worryingly unscientific statement "we were outplayed". Such an attitude, I'm now proud to say, is not shared by the Wigan club.

There have even been incidents since Smith has taken over. The Harrison/Bridge one to mention just one.

Them beating us in the CC SF has nothing to do with their or our culture whatsoever.

I'd say it is 100% to do with it.

Part of Wigan's non-culture under Brian Noble was a complete inability to step up to the highly intensive atmosphere of a semi-final. Another part was their lack of adequate mental strength to handle such an occasion. Once or two semi defeats you could maybe forgive, but five times on the trot suggests there is a problem. The fact that Brian didn't seem to recognise that is not in his favour. The club did, and have taken appropriate action.

Sigh, not this again. I was at pretty much every embarrassing defeat this year - Hull away, Celtic away, Hudds away. You think I enjoyed being there? It's not just us that has embarrassing defeats. Just that we have them more often.

It's exactly the attitude that's been demonstrated so well by both Leeds and Saints over the past few years - which is part of why they're the best in SL.

To some extent that illustrates the point I was making. The flippant "if it's okay for them it's okay for us" attitude.

It isn't for Saints or Leeds. And it shouldn't be for us.

The culture at wigan under Brian Noble has been one of the results do not matter.

Noble is all about performance with the belief that if you perform the results will take care of themself.

That is just plain wrong as far as im concerned.

There is suggestions in wanes interview that there have been times when training has not been tough enough and the winning culture is not in place.

Wow. What a fantastic interview. I don't think I have ever heard anyone talk so passionately about Wigan as Shaun Wane - fans included.

I'm really excited for the new season.

Just listened to it myself now I have got home. Great interview.

I agree with what's been said in the this thread as regards the culture by Cruncher and the rest. What you get on the pitch is a product of what goes on off it.

This is why I don't subscribe to the notion Noble has put things in place to take us forward. The new coaches will be changing things not carrying on with the same old systems. We have threads on here about poor culture and lack if fitness in the team. About to listen to the Radio Manchester program so it will be interesting if anything else comes out that isn't right currently.

Dave

If Waney cannot make them overpaid & underachievers play with the Wigan passion no one can..

They know who they are....SF, IP, MR, AR Beware

Waneys stuck in traffic in Manchester. Maybe theres a lack of dicipline there, should have got the train

True.

Just watched the video and now can't get Ancient & Loyal Upon my Chest out of my head.

I wish the season started this weekend

I wish it was the derby game again this weekend

Where is the video?

Hypocrites! Half of you wanted to keep Noble a week and half ago! By the crin.

AFPL.................some of us wanted noble out at the end of last year.............we have to put the past season behind us now and get behind Michael and Shaun.............IMO we need to get rid of most of the backroom staff as they failed to do their job.......bring in new people who are of the same opinions and ideas as the new coaches

I wanted him out 18 months ago. Knew then we were stagnating!

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SW put the fear of God in me just watching him. I've just joined a gym, changed my diet, stopped drinking and gone for a jog round the block.
God help me if I'm not fit enough to sprint up the East Stand steps again next season.

I love the comment that the 50 y old said on the radio, about lining up to face Morley!

I never wanted him in, in the first place!