To be honest from a selfish point of view i would rather our youngsters be given a chance if they are keen enough to take it. Because im sick to death of us putting out the same old players who never fail to fail.... Wellens,Gardner,Gleeson,Senior,Pryce,Burrow,McGuire.

Surely you should be playing your best possible team in competitions like the Four Nations.

I have no doubt that Tomkins is the most talented English half back and Myler is probably the most well rounded Enlish 7 at the moment. Whether Smith will have the balls to pick them both i doubt greatly. Probably prefering the old failing big stage chokers Pryce Burrow and McGuire.

Pryce should get nowhere near a halfback jersey.
Shame Long has retired as Smith could have rotated the choking quartet

I agree its a bit harsh actually - one of my favourite moments in rugby league was watching Senior tear the Australians apart in an Ashes series from the East Stand at Wigan.

What I can't understand is how many people are now calling for England to build for the World Cup by playing all the young lads. We've not had a World Cup for 8 years before 2008 but now apparently its the only international competition that means anything?

Not to mention the fact that some of the players people are suggesting like Shenton and Atkins aren't even tearing Super League apart yet. The odd glimpse of quality yes but no indication of international quality. Why play them in the internationals if they're not excelling at club level.

I agree we should play the best available, I don't think we should be building for anything. Young players must prove their worth in SL in the coming years for the World Cup. It may be in some instances that the younger players are the best available, some would argue that this is the case in the halfback position. There are also cases where the older guard clearly aren't up to it and need to be replaced, Paul Wellens for example. But equally so IMO if blokes like Keith Senior are still the best available, they should be in despite their age.

Are you being serious?

I wish none of our players had been picked, let Maguire tear into them before the new season.

I just cant want international RL to succeed, not with that clown Wood now pulling the strings at the RFL.

The ashes idea really soured my appetite for international rl, that and Smith and his agenda.

It's disappointing when two of our props are on about £400,000 between them and neither is considered good enough for their respective countries.
It'll be good when their contracts expire.

McGuire will get the 6 shirt, Tomkins will push for a place on the bench.

As for Bridge and harrision there alone stands the reason why no club coach should ever be allowed anywhere near a reps team.

Its not to bad

The aussies have only added Hayne, Waterhouse and Hindmarsh to there squad

Don't understand the big downer on Bridge and Harrison, both have been very good this year IMO.

Harrison is the type of player we need in the back row at that level - he hits hard and looks to impose himself.

People whinge about the same old failure backs being picked, but then whinge when Bridge is given a shot ahead of Gleeson, despite Gleeson having a very quiet season

I thought gleeson has been outstanding in the last 6 weeks
he was superb at Hull KR away and i though that he was close to MOM in that game

Yes im joking



I think Peacock, Morley, Graham, Carvell, Ellis, Burgess, OLughlin, Roby, Moore, Crabtree ....... are all really rubbish.

not rubbish just cannot hold a torch to the aussie pack

Steve Price, Petero Civoneceva, Trent Waterhouse, Cameron Smith, Anthony Watmough, Nathan Hindmash . . .

We have a decent pack, but the aussies are better.

Bridge over Gleeson is a joke





We are trying to improve the national team and we do things like this.

Also, Ben Harrison is in the squad so why is Paul Prescott not in their?

Because they play different positions?

That’s not a patch on the Aussie pack.

More English players need to go the NRL and prove their worth. It made Morley at better player, it’s working for Ellis and I hope it works for Burgess to.

Graham, Carvell and Roby’s game would all step up a notch if they started playing at that much higher level.

At the end of the day what do they learn or how do they improve playing against Celtic, Salford etc…..

I dont see the superiority there, i personally havnt jumped on the Price/Civoneceva bandwagon. Waterhouse is average in my opinion but Smith Watmough and Hindmarsh are undoubtedly class, even though Hindmarsh wasnt deemed good enough for NSW.

Morley, Roby, Peacock, Burgess, Ellis, OLoughlin

vs

Price, Smith, Civoneceva, Hindmarsh, Watmough, Gallen

No contest at hooker but every other position i would prefer the English player.

Well that illustrates why you support Wigan....better get to specsavers and remove those rose tinted specs.Harrison has been in great form and is going to be a great player. Come back when your team has won something.Tell you what lets put all the wigan players that are eligible inthe team and lets see them choke again.
Prescott has been outstanding for you and is unfortunate that the position he plays is well covered.

Joel tomkins is a better forward than harrison, gleeson is a better centre than bridge.

That is not with rose tinted glasses.

Wire win one CC and now they are the big dogs in town!

You didn’t even make the play offs but yet your trying to say that your players deserve a shot at the England team??? Get real mate.

Harrison has had a good season but he’s no where near the level of Ellis, Burgess, Lockers, Westwood, Westerman, JJB & Wilkin or even Tickle. At the end of day he’s only in there because he plays for Warrington.

Tomkins is a fine player, but I think he has too many errors and penalties in his game at the moment, he needs to work on that IMO. Harrison also hits harder in defence IMO.



He was, but I've been more impressed with Bridge than Gleeson this season by a fair margin. Which is saying something as I rate Gleeson and think Bridge is a kn*b.

Anyone who thinks are pack is anywhere near the aussies pack needs their head testing. We are light years behind them, hell, we struggled against a load of part timers from PNG. We hear it before every international against the aussies "our pack is better", then our pack ends up being smashed by them.

it is just peoples opinions. i for one think that harrison and bridge deserve their places in the squad. both have had brilliant years. however it is only a train on squad. many wiganers think that harrison and bridge should not be in it, however, if they both played for wigan it would be different and would be callin them to be included. gleeson has done nothing to warrant a place in the squad and to be fair it is only tomkins and o loughlin who deserve and probably gaz hock if he was still palying. joel tomkins is not a better forward then ben harrison. this is my opinion and you lot think that tomkins is a better forward. of course everyone going to stick up for their club players.