Mark Flanagan is off to Aus with his GF who has just got a job over there.

To be fair to the guy he has put his money were his mouth is.He seems to know a lot about IL and his buisness dealings and is not impressed with how the club is being run.Some of the things he was saying to me were worrying,like harliquinns went bankrupt under IL,

I think IL tried to answer all questions and was very open.... I think the new openness under his regine is 10 million times better than it was under Maurice Lindsay.. and i think he should be commended for being so... even if some of the fans don't like what they hear... at the end of the day... I believe the way the "Business" is moving and the plans that are in place are a hell of a lot better than the previous regime...

What was the response to this qustion ?

Now i thought that was the other way round when quins went bust I.L. and another person came in and bailed the club out. could be wrong but sure thats the way it was

To be fair, recently a few young lads have been signed from Ince Rose Bridge and IL did mention St.Judes as we all know young players are often signed from.

IL did admit however that the scouting system could be better and they are going to be looking at spending more time in the future on the scouting system to improve it. For example looking at Rugby Union and in Cumbria and in the South of England.

This scares me!

Harlequins crowds - 3,000
Wigan crowds - 15,000+
Same Salary Cap.

We'll be reet!

Wigan is a different beast to harliquins.were not trying to better ourself with money brought in by 2.500 fans a home game..maybe IL vision and plans were to big for the club he was at.

Yeah but we're still loosing money! That cant be good for any club!

Was the "fan" who challenged IL tonight the same person who asked IL at the last forum meeting what IL would do differently if he had the chance?

Yeah but it's been pointed out that loss is a significant reduction on what we lost the year before. You need to put it into context.

a lot of SL clubs are making losses

did you all get pie and peas

You dont make finals you dont get profit in this league

Do you believe saints would be in profit if they didnt make final after final each season. NO

They be worse off than most with there averages

Good to see the attitude of the club regarding bringing on the youngsters and not going for mercenary signings. This was always the way IL said we would operate and its good that he is sticking to it. Not really bothered that we have no signings for next year as its better to stick with what we have than sign anyone just for the sake of doing so.

I definitely agree with IL about the attitude of some people to our players. I have been defending various players that have been the target of undue criticism myself. I think that sadly some people just decide that they don't like a player and after that nothing will stop them sniping at said player. It isn't just on forums either, there are a group of about 5 that sit behind me in the Boston stand who turn up to every game and just slag off the players, and then there are the sort of idiots that jeered at Pryce when he got injured. If that's their idea of support we're better off without them.

Regarding the coaching situation I do have a concern over when the cut off point comes for the decision to be made. IMO if we don't have someone sorted to replace Noble by now (or at the latest after our last game this season) then I'd rather see us give him the deal for next year now so that we do have a definite coach in place for next year. I can only think that we are currently negotiating with a candidate and that either said candidate or Noble will be in charge next year dependant on those negotiations.

Didn't go but a few concerns I have:

If Feka Paleaasina is one of the players taking up a significant chunk of the cap it's IL's fault? Wasn't he the one who extended his contract?

Also didn't he slate the players last year publically in the press - but we're getting slated (on an independant site) for criticisms of Richie Mathers and Karl Pryce?

We don't have the space for overseas recruits but yet IL comes out in the press and says I have been to Australia looking at this player and that player?

Contradiction at it's best or have I misunderstood it all?

It's nothing new, I don't think Wigan have made profit in decades, if at all.
Look at the figures below, scares the hell out of me to think what pre2007 was like with ML & DW at the helm.

Think the numbers below are correct

2007 - £330,000 Loss
2008 - £320,000 Loss
2009 - £150,000 Projected Loss, based on worst case scenario (no wembley appearance)

When did Saints last make a profit?

I asked on their "board" how much they have lost last season.

No answers.



Saints haven't made a profit in years.

No. Came straight from work. I was pigging starving..!!

Maybe i listen to my saints friend to much

No you just don't ask the right questions.

i think only leeds and possibly hull are the only profitable clubs. Despite 2 final appearences saints lost about £350k last year. Knowsley road is killing us financially.

£684k in 2007. Haven't seen 2008's figures yet. Not checked to see if they have been filed.

Was the £150k loss he mentioned the estimated loss for the year to 30 November 2009 or the actual loss for the year ended 30 November 2008?

keeer