Also the Wigan fullback was nowhere in sit to "clean it up" in the way HKR did when Wigan charged their kick down.

It was still a poor kick though.

It seemed as though he was complaining about exactly what I put in my post.

His reaction and body language seemed to say ''Well, what was I supposed to do?!''

If this is the case why has he not been drafted to the relevant ranks within the wigan youth set up or that of any other professional club

Did nobody tell TS that in rains alot in england and we dont get too many nice/dry days.

Harsh to blame Phelps, he was drifting towards the other side to chase the kick, he almost made it back which was a decent effort.

Come off it, he had hours to kick that ball. In fact enough time for me to realise in real time that he as going to step when he really didn't need too.

I realise the kick isn't the main point, and I'm under no illusion that other players weren't blameless. Although If you watch Smith and he sets up his deep line off him that he can execute his set moves and spray his passes he's laughing. If he is caught having to think on his feet he struggles.

Another classic example was when the ball flicked out for an eternity infront of the opposition's sticks in the first half. Smith clearly had no idea what to do with it.

As an out and out scrum half he's meant to have a lot of structural sense from first receiver and a good kicking game. When put under the kosh tonight he lost both of those. I know my Lee Briers statement was a bit harsh but it's a trait they both have in common.

Tbh now smith is not totally to blame but he's part we was camped on there line and nothing come of it there was nothing there

I really think we missed s tomkins last night attack wise i think riddell shouldn't have been near that pitch and it showed

he didnt win us the game, he scored in the last minute, but it wasnt the winnin try

I appreciate they need to be brought through slowly and correctly. We both want what is best for Sam and Ainy.

However to change a winning team that was also in some really good form I find utterly stupid. The combinations between the pivots is the most important on the pitch without doubt and to change them when they are playing well I find bemusing. If he was going to give Sam a rest why not wait till the Salford or Celtic league games in a few weeks when we wouldn't have needed Sam as much instead of sitting him out of a game which was huge for us last night.

Also you really can't make an argument for Riddell being more used to those conditions than Sam as he is quite simply not and he showed it on the field.

Spot on, he's never taken the line on once since he came. As a stand off he's pathetic, and he doesn't want to be here. Cant wait for him to go at the end of the year. Next season, Tommy 9, S. Tomkins 7, new stand off.

If he played for St Pats he would have.

I dont come on here and think i know everything. Im stating what everybody knows to be a fact. We lost to the team that is 2nd in the league, good coach, good work ethic, they aren't 2nd in the league for no reason.

Tim Smith was awful last night and summed his night up by being that cack scared of getting hit after kicking the ball he ran it up a blind alley and cost us 6 points.

He's a fair weather player who needs his pack to be totally on top.

To be fair to the lad though some of the passes he recieved close to the KR line in the second half were appalling and defenders were on him before he could bend down to pick them up.

Just hope the weathers better at Wire!

But if we put in a scrum half from Hindley, everything would be better?

Ok mate, whatever.

tbh wouldn't bother me one bit if smith and riddel went home now, both bad signings, both overated and a waste of cap and quota space. that guy riddel is as fat as the day he got here and he has been in training since december so called.

He started eating on Boxing Day, and hasn't stopped since.

I think Noble knew it was going to be a bruiser and needed the extra weight on the pitch, that first 40 was the hardest 40 ive seen in a long time some of the hits were out of this world from both teams. Sam would of been brilliant to bring on in the last 20 but you cant have 5 subs.

I thought the first half was the best half of rugby i've seen for a long time.

It was so intense it was truely superb and the hits were fantastic.

State of origin style defence for 40 minutes.

Just a pity about the try on the hooter, definatly gave KR the lift they needed to win the game.

Like Noble said it's hard not to look back on that but we still should have won the game.

The tackling seemed to take more out of us even though the majority of the big hits were on them which is a worry.

Maybe we should have kept Mark Smith or Neil Budworth.

Piggy is a legend.

When did i say that would sort everything out?

I didn't.

Yes, in Greggs.

That because Pats have the best set-up and the best players are therefore attracted to the club.

You need to get that huge chip off your shoulder.

Of course they were. The player the conditions were not right for were Smith - a passer. Tomkins is a running type of half back and in the rain that is what you want not someone trying to spray long passes about. Tomkins would have been ideal.

Dave