Well, for me, that's two months for Escare to improve further, then Sam T would struggle to get his place back, even if fit.

The lack of respect for Sam from some posters is staggering. Had a knee injured misdiagnosed by the Warriors which was made worse and worse. Played okay/well in a struggling team last year. Has had a badly broken foot and a little set back.

Only 2 injuries proper injuries in his career.

I like what the club are doing why rush him back with the form of Escare. Take his time, get him 100% and get him out there winning games for us again! Best player in Super league when fit.

The only thing to say is that when/if he comes back, it will be an unexpected bonus.

It's not like we haven't got used to being without him. Life goes on.

I couldn't agree more. Let him get over his injury however long it takes, he came back a month too soon last year as he was so desperate to get back on the pitch. Escare is doing a fine job so there is no need to rush it. When Sam is fit he will be a massive help to this team

Unfortunately, both have been for the majority of his 2nd spell here on a very large salary.

I think we should come back to this thread later in the season... Should be an interesting read..... Bookmark it Danno!

My reply was sarcastic admittedly, not particularly funny but still very much tongue in cheek.
You can't bin a player because he has had a set back for a few weeks.
From what I read it sounds unlikely we wil see ST in his pomp of 2012 however, if he can achieve 75% of that standard he will do for me.
His delayed return will also give Escare more game time and hopefully the penny will drop that he should be our main go to player for kicking for position rather than TL or GW. Every cloud has a silver lining.

Can people stop posting unsubstantiated rumours on here please, thanks. Not the first time this week that potentially libellous rumours have had to be deleted on more than one subject.

He will never be "the best player in super league" again,thats been and gone,but your point about him being injured when he signed why the hell did Wigan allow him to sign?did sentiment come into it?did he pass the medical that he would surely have to pass for insurance purposes as he signed?why was he allowed to go to Englands camp in the series against NZ a couple of winters back when anyone who'd seen him struggle in New Zealand on premier sports could tell something wasnt quite right about him.

So many questions.

Isn't it time we cut our losses? At the end of the day everyone and his dog knows Sam will never discover what he had 2011/2012, abs quite frankly I'd be supriesed if he finds 50% of what he had before. I love Sam to bits and respect him for being one of our best players ever imo and certainly in the super league era, however we are living from past glories unfortunately, if try get rid of him next year and give Williams the marquee spot, give the rest to Escare on a new 4 year deal. I know a lot of people want him to go to 6 when Williams does leave evauntally, but if he has another 3/4 years here, Sam will be what? 31/32, imagine how knackered he will be then.

Unfortunately his time has come and gone and we need to be looking at cutting our losses asap

Starting to look like a complete waste of money. He was bang-average last season and Escare is offering us much more than Sam Tomkins, 2016-vintage. He likely wont play again now this season as this likely wont be the only 'setback', so thats what - 16 games in 24 months? We need more consistency from our big names. What with him and O'Loughlin playing 1 out of every 3, we're 2 first team starters down every week before we look at the actual fresh injuries. I loved Sam Tomkins in his pomp but lets face it, this many injuries over this length of time? I fear for him.

It's frustrating, but some comments on here are way OTT. Give him the time he needs to get back fit, then make a judgement after he has been back out on the pitch. He still looked pretty good when he played last year IMO, people just had ridiculous expectations.

Spot on Grimmy. The lad has earned the right to prove himself when he's fit, as has McIllorum and Manfredi. It's good that their cover has played well but all 3 of the above have earned the right to come back and prove their worth.

If they come back and fail to perform then we have the players to come back in and provide great competition for places.

We're all being fooled...
Sam isn't out injured, he's been pursuing an alternative career in acting by playing Liam in Benidorm


All the sun of Catalan, but none of the big hits .

Completely agree.

People forget that he gave the club five seasons when he was the best, most exciting player in Super League. He more than earned his money.

I think his head is not focused on rugby like it was when he burst onto the scene.....which is understandable with settling down with family etc. It only needs to be 5-10% off it and can lead players into a slump. I think that is were Sam is at present add to that he came back last year too early and not 100% right whether that is NZ Warriors fault or Wigan fault we dont really know for sure. I think what annoys fans is how the injury come about towards end of the season again this may be rumours but it adds to all of the above. Hopefully he does get back to 100% but its strange how is injury is taking longer than Smiths "broken leg"

I blame the bloody beard. It's like having Samson in reverse!

And what are you basing this theory on? How do you know he lacks focus? For all we know he might pulling his tripe out in his training and rehab. He is probably the most disappointed person in this whole scenario.
Sam Tomkins is one of the most competitive players I've seen in almost 40 years of watching rugby league. It wouldn't surprise one bit if he's trying much harder than most on here are giving him credit for. The lad is a winner and winners win!

"When he was the best" spot on mate, but he isn't an anywhere near our best player now, he relied a lot on his pace and that will be deminished even more now, what's the point of keeping him when he's always injured and when he does play offers not enough to justifiy his pay packet, sport is a ruthless place and we can't live on past glories, h used to be the best but now he's not even close

I am just adding my opinion from what I have seen of him before he left Wigan when playing in New Zealand and then his return. This is why I started my post with "I think........"

He is very competitive probably one of the most but that edge to him which made him so exciting as disappeared in last couple of years which maybe through the injury. I just think he not as focused on rugby as he was 5+ years ago when he pushed himself to the top of the game. I hope i am proved wrong but many Wigan fans aren't that concerned with his delay in injury because Escare as slotted in well at the moment which as raised the question where will Escare / Tomkins play when he returns. Were as if this was raised prior to him leaving for NZ people would think your crazy and be a no brainer.

The club were surely in a cleft stick there. Suppose we hadn't gone him after NZW, and he'd ended up at Leeds or Warrington? Wigan fans would have been in meltdown, here and elsewhere, calling for IL and SW's heads...

Possible move to half back I think his lack of pace will make it harder for him to play at full back and be able to have the speed to support breaks like he used to

Could he create space and a gap in the defensive line to exploit? Can his rugby knowledge compensate for his lack of pace.

I don't think his mind is off the game and can imagine he is there a lot with the team and behind the scenes doing a lot of work on coming back stronger. Injuries and luck can be cruel I don't think he should be a shoe in but pushing in training to win his place back or to cover injuries. Hopefully he will be given the proper rehab and physio and most importantly time to heal and regain confidance that he is 100% himsf when playing with an injury or fear of a reoccurrence it can affect performances if it means he does not play a key role this season and can remain injury free for the start of next his wage could well be worth the wait !! It's a gamble. It a relatively safe one his wages will be accounted for the duration of his contract the gamble is more do you release him and he returns looking like the player you had hoped you re signed!!

Oh I agree with you,though i dont agree with this constant resigning of players im old school you leave,you you stay left but if that knee was injured when he left NZW why on earth did Wigan go through with the signing.if only to protect themselves from a huge wage bill for an injured player,he could have been put on retainer surely till he was back to full fitness,allowing him the time he clearly needed.

Still all if's and but's what happened happened.

Well, I'm glad we have Joe Burgess back, and Tommy too. Tommy, at least, I think has come back a better player than when he left. People have criticised his kicking game; well, he's no Cooper Cronk, but I don't see that his kicking out of hand is any worse than Matty Smith, and by taking it to the line, which he constantly does, he offers us far more options in attack in my book.

Some absolute being posted on this thread.