Well it looks on face value to be all over bar the shouting I just hope Lenegan gives him till say Wednesday and calls a halt to it if Edwards hasn’t by then

I wonder if this little Snake has the phone number of Brett Kenny so he can ring to apologise..

I get that there’s anger towards SE but all this would have been avoided if IL would have actually given SE a contract to sign. Some have suggested that SE didn’t want to sign at the time and if that’s the case IL should have then said “Thanks but no thanks”.

SE isn’t contracted to anyone post RUWC. He is well within his rights to look at all options on the table. This mess could have and should have been avoided way back when and SE given a contract to sign or Wigan walked away. It’s pure mismanagement from IL.

Time to get over this fantasy that Shaun Edwards is an innocent party.

I know it's difficult to think ill of a club legend, but sometime you've got to wake up and smell the coffee.

Yes, technically he is within his rights to look at all his options. But that doesn't negate the promises he made to the Wigan club and to the Wigan fans at a press conference that he now doesn't even mention when interviewed in the nationals. And if it was a case that Wigan were simply refusing to give him a contract (which is the exact opposite of what one chap posting on here has said actually happened), then why didn't he sort it out privately?

And why does he now need time to 'make up his mind' ... when his mind was apparently made up sufficiently last year for him to attend that press conference?

No one is saying that IL wasn't wrong to announce the deal before it was done, but that was a case of him being too trusting. Gizmo is guilty of a lot worse.

Speaking purely hypothetically here. But run this scenario:

They agree terms, maybe there a pending issue with the contract, something Shaun enquires about which IL has to look into, perhaps (this is just me speculating) which is a little unusual maybe to do with how SE is paid for example.
Because the contract is 95% done they shake hands, the agreement is as good as done.
In the meantime SE is in regular contact with the club, even to the point of discussing recruitment for his backroom staff etc.
SE asks IL and Wigan to take the pressure off and let him focus on Wales and the 6 nations. Out of respect and understanding IL agrees.
In the meantime SE's agent is contacted from a WASPs official on his situation (they sound him out for a position and fee then turns his head)
SE also enquires about the situation at England RU
SE debates his situation with Wigan, is it a better option than Wasps? He also still holds out to find out if he's inline for a position with England RU.
When quizzed on his situation, instead of confirming he'll boss Wigan, he refers to an exact; he's not signed a contract, which is the truth, but fails to elaborate on the details (which I've previously discussed)
The contract issue becomes the focal point in the media. IL wanting to keep Wigan out of the dirt refrains from responding until his hand is forced.
SE becomes hard to contact for Wigan adding more fuel to the fire.
IL confirms he won't hold SE to anything, if he wants to take his career in a different route, he's free to do so.
SE decides for several reasons a return to RL isn't the best option for him at this time. He praises IL (then makes a public media announcement about his love for all things Wigan to end it on a more positive, which falls very short in fans eyes)
AL is sounded out to do another season with Wigan after performances improve.

It's plausible, but as you say, it's just speculation.

I don't want to believe that Shaun Edwards saw this from the start as an opportunity to secure himself another big job in RU, with Wigan nothing more than a stepping stone. Unfortunately, the spending power of RU (God knows where it comes from!!!) has turned it into exactly that.

He may feel that a return to RL isn't the best move for him at this time, but I'm not there'll ever be a time when it is. Who would trust him after this?

Whatever, I feel he's displayed a real weakness of character and a huge lack of self-awareness.

Before last weekend, my view was that Wigan should move straight away to withdraw their offer. Now, I think that would be playing into Edwards' hands. They're right to leave the ball in his court. When this deal finally dies, it will be his decision to kill it, not Wigan's.

The spending power in RU comes from an effective governing body and sponsorship. Unfortunately the RFL only manage to get Mrs Miggins Pie Shop and run the game like an old boys club.

You're right. I can imagine Shaun having genuine intentions from the start, but then Wasps etc popped into the picture and SE suddenly realised there was other options. At the core of English RU is a thriving international game which generates enough money to prop up the code.
In recent years RU seems to have made good decisions whereas RL has made poor decisions widening the gap between the codes.

RL is the best code by far in my option, but RU, due to money and scale is arguably the most desirable for a player and or coach. Doesn't always work out (Charnley etc) but it's often worth a try.

The strength of RU is international competition.

Yes, which was my point, a Six Nations sponsored to a high level, covered on ALL games, we get a weekend in Liverpool with few TV games, sponsored by a cheap car company.

I think there’s guilt on both sides but it could have all been avoided with the signing of a contract. Announcing a “signing” without an actual signature on paper is absolutely ridiculous and embarassing. What did IL think was going to happen? As soon as SE left his office and then potential jobs in RU started to come up why wouldn’t be be tempted? Why wouldn’t he come out and say so in the media? If he was tied down to a contract this wouldn’t have happened.

A “handshake” is not how to do things in professional sport. You sign a contract. You can’t carry on dancing around the bush pretending that this isn’t the causation of this whole debacle. If there was no contract offered just a “gentleman’s agreement” SE should have said he will walk away and Wigan should have kicked their s into gear and offered one. If a contract was offered but declined to be signed by SE, Wigan should have walked away.

Is it really Thursday afternoon and this debacle hasn’t been cleared up?
We’re the kings of silence & dragging stuff out but this takes the biscuit

I posted on another thread, the issue now isn't whether he's coming, it's more about sorting who will be coming instead and trying to announce both simultaneously.

I doubt that'll happen, to be honest.

Edwards will make his decision soon. He'll have to if he wants a job in RU, or they'll just offer them somewhere else. Clearly Wigan are leaving it up to him to officially decide and announce that the RL deal is dead (which is fair enough in some ways, given that he's the one who killed it, not them). But Wigan are unlikely to have sourced a replacement by then, as, at the very least, they'll need to let Lam try out for it.

That's assuming Lam wants it, of course. If he genuinely doesn't, then that's different.

outside looking in, Adrian, you'll do for a year but we have someone else lined up. Adrian, that someone else wants to go elsehwhere, do want to stay a while?

Not the opportunity of a lifetime!

I agree, but if we were now to say: 'Lammy, the job's still yours till the end of the year. But even though you'd now like to be considered for it full-time, we're still going to be looking for someone else,' that's not much of an incentive for 2019.

It's a mess, but unless Lammy really doesn't want the job next year, I don't see what option we've got but to offer it to him - IF he gets the results.

Interesting article by Martyn Sadler www.totalrl.com/is-this-the-real ... wigan-job/

Interesting article by Martyn Sadler www.totalrl.com/is-this-the-real ... wigan-job/

Not sure that is the entire reason why SE has reneged on the idea of coaching us but Rich Hunwicks is world class in every way and even if SE doesn't come we should certainly be looking at him, I had no idea he was wanting to leave Catalan!

He probably isn't but it is a nice excuse for Edwards to use as a "get out clause".

This is dragging on far too long now, stuff him time for the club to stand up remember its fecking wigan rugby club and either ask Lam if he wants to stay or get on and appoint someone who actually wants the job

who knows what's going on behind The scenes time to find out to be honest and get it sorted one way or another!!

Quote ="Trainman"Interesting article by Martyn Sadler www.totalrl.com/is-this-the-real ... wigan-job/'" Very interesting and given Hunswick wouldn’t come cheap as wouldn’t SE, I’d suggest maybe this is IL pulling back the purse strings. Having said that it’s speculation in its purest form. This has dragged on for too long now and I’m of the opinion that the reason being is that the club know SE isnt coming and before they announce that they’re getting another man in place. The longer it drags in the more I can’t see that other man being Lam or else it would have happened by now. I still hold hope he is coming and alongside Hunswick. It would explain the backroom staff cull and lack of backroom staff recruitment in the off season for Lam and further shows why we are where we are in the league. IL isn’t going to recruit backroom staff/big money players for Lam when SE may walk in the door and get them out. The longer this drags on the more I worry about recruitment for next season. Top SL teams map out their recruitment targets for the next season early and start negotiations early so as to have them recruited, we may well be missing out here.

Quote ="Trainman"Interesting article by Martyn Sadler www.totalrl.com/is-this-the-real ... wigan-job/'" Very interesting and given Hunswick wouldn’t come cheap as wouldn’t SE, I’d suggest maybe this is IL pulling back the purse strings. Having said that it’s speculation in its purest form. This has dragged on for too long now and I’m of the opinion that the reason being is that the club know SE isnt coming and before they announce that they’re getting another man in place. The longer it drags in the more I can’t see that other man being Lam or else it would have happened by now. I still hold hope he is coming and alongside Hunswick. It would explain the backroom staff cull and lack of backroom staff recruitment in the off season for Lam and further shows why we are where we are in the league. IL isn’t going to recruit backroom staff/big money players for Lam when SE may walk in the door and get them out. The longer this drags on the more I worry about recruitment for next season. Top SL teams map out their recruitment targets for the next season early and start negotiations early so as to have them recruited, we may well be missing out here.

It is a real mess. Hard to see a way this plays out where the fans understand which direction the club is going. I would fancy a wager on SE being announced elsewhere before the club addresses anything.

Rich Hunswick is absolutely everything the club should be looking at, if he is available we should most certainly be looking to recruit him.

Admittedly and rather naively I don’t know a great deal about him other than what other posters have said so I’ll just have to take people’s word on him. But as the saying goes “there’s no smoke without fire” the smoke being he’s a top drawer coach, I’ll agree he is someone we should be looking to recruit regardless of whether it’s under Lam/SE/A.Nother.

I’m in agreement about the club direction. I personally feel like we’ve been too soft over the years starting with the “come back to us if it doesn’t work out” policy with the only player it genuinely working out for was ST. We’re now at that stage with SE, essentially the message we’re giving is “if you can’t get a better deal in RU, come to us”. It looks desperate and certainly not what one of the biggest names in RL should be doing. You wouldn’t see the Man Utd’s/Liverpool’s/Barcelona’s of this world even remotely consider it. Look closer to home nor would you see Warrington or Saints do it either. I’m sure it’ll get dressed up by the club as loyalty but to us fans and opposing fans it looks like a desperation tactic.

The other notable point of SE wanting to bring in Rich Hunswicks is the fact he is extremely close the Mike and more interestingly George Ford.