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| Quote ="nathan_rugby"Quiet in here since some facts have been posted'"
They are all furiously youtubing discredited doctors for some more misinformation to try and refute what you posted
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| Quote ="TheWarringtonWolve69"They are all furiously youtubing discredited doctors for some more misinformation to try and refute what you posted'"
Are you referring to Professor Neil Ferguson? Why has he not had is Twitter account suspended?
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| Quote ="nathan_rugby"From the BBC. Is it just another cold or flu? Doesn’t read so to me. And these figures would have been much worse without lockdowns, vaccinations, masks etc.
According to the Office for National Statistics, approximately 665,000 deaths were registered in the UK in 2021.
That is nearly 25,000 fewer than the year before, but still about 10% higher than the average seen in the five years before the pandemic.
That “excess” of deaths was the second highest figure since World War Two (after 2020).
Comparing last year’s figures to the five years before the pandemic takes account of the changes in population size, age and healthcare that would otherwise make it impossible to compare the raw numbers from the 2020s with those from, say, the 1970s.
The last two years have been exceptional by historical standards. Death rates normally fall over time, so any increase is unusual, but this change does not return us to the death rates of WW2.'"
Where is the scientific evidence to support your claim?
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| Anyhow, no mileage in trying to get behind individuals’ predictions of infections/deaths as they are all based upon a myriad of variables and ‘what ifs’, and as we all know :1qf0kjpqIF) and without a vaccine, this figure would be much higher ….
Without vaccines we’d be in a situation like in the early days, when in China people were literally dying in the street, and in Italy carehome residents were abandoned by carers when the virus ripped through, etc
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| Quote ="nikos"Anyhow, no mileage in trying to get behind individuals’ predictions of infections/deaths as they are all based upon a myriad of variables and ‘what ifs’, and as we all know IFmy aunty had boll0xs, she’d be my uncle….
FACTS are =#FF0000£150k+ deaths in the UK (I think we all agree this is an unacceptably high number, [unless you are some kind of psychopath) and without a vaccine, this figure would be much higher ….
Without vaccines we’d be in a situation like in the early days, when in China people were literally dying in the street, and in Italy carehome residents were abandoned by carers when the virus ripped through, etc'"
And people say you can't put a value on life...
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| Starting later this month, Greeks over age 60 are being required to pay a €100 (£85) fine for each month that they remain unvaccinated.
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| Quote ="nikos"Starting later this month, Greeks over age 60 are being required to pay a €100 (£85) fine for each month that they remain unvaccinated.'"
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| Quote ="WiganRL12345"Crazy'"
totally agree, who over 60 wouldn't be vaccinated...
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| Quote ="nikos"Anyhow, no mileage in trying to get behind individuals’ predictions of infections/deaths as they are all based upon a myriad of variables and ‘what ifs’, and as we all know IFmy aunty had boll0xs, she’d be my uncle….
FACTS are £150k+ deaths in the UK (I think we all agree this is an unacceptably high number, [unless you are some kind of psychopath) and without a vaccine, this figure would be much higher ….
Without vaccines we’d be in a situation like in the early days, when in China people were literally dying in the street, and in Italy carehome residents were abandoned by carers when the virus ripped through, etc'"
Sweaty Betty will try and argue you are wrong because he saw some guy on YouTube with an AS in history claim Covid is nothing to worry about
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| Quote ="TheWarringtonWolve69"Sweaty Betty will try and argue you are wrong because he saw some guy on YouTube with an AS in history claim Covid is nothing to worry about'"
Correct, his name is Ferguson. You should read about his predictions, you just might learn something. Then again, there's none so blind as those who will not see
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| Quote ="nikos"Anyhow, no mileage in trying to get behind individuals’ predictions of infections/deaths as they are all based upon a myriad of variables and ‘what ifs’, and as we all know IFmy aunty had boll0xs, she’d be my uncle….
FACTS are £150k+ deaths in the UK (I think we all agree this is an unacceptably high number, [unless you are some kind of psychopath) and without a vaccine, this figure would be much higher ….
Without vaccines we’d be in a situation like in the early days, when in China people were literally dying in the street, and in Italy carehome residents were abandoned by carers when the virus ripped through, etc'"
Of course there is mileage at predictions, especially if those are making the decisions are relying on them!
How many of those 150k+ deaths have resulted because of Covid? I do however agree that the number would have been higher without the vaccines. As for China, according to WHO, they have only had 5,699 deaths obviously our government should have listened to their advisors!
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... igins.html
The attached is interesting. There may be a case where leading advisors on both sides of the pond have failed to tell the truth to their own people! If you have nothing to hide, why would you redact the emails? Who can you trust?
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The attached is interesting. There may be a case where leading advisors on both sides of the pond have failed to tell the truth to their own people! If you have nothing to hide, why would you redact the emails? Who can you trust?
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| Quote ="Sweaty Betty's"Of course there is mileage at predictions, especially if those are making the decisions are relying on them!
How many of those 150k+ deaths have resulted because of Covid? I do however agree that the number would have been higher without the vaccines. As for China, according to WHO, they have only had 5,699 deaths
obviously our government should have listened to their advisors!'"
Come on you know you can’t ask sensible questions like that, facts are facts and have to be taken as gospel. You know full well this is a ‘straw man’
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| Quote ="Sweaty Betty's"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10052689/Government-condemned-refusing-release-details-key-email-conversations-Covid-origins.html
The attached is interesting. There may be a case where leading advisors on both sides of the pond have failed to tell the truth to their own people! If you have nothing to hide, why would you redact the emails? Who can you trust?'"
Nicely set up now for Boris to resign and no formal investigation to take place as “it was under Boris nothing to with us”
So will never find out the level of corruption
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| Quote ="Sweaty Betty's"https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10052689/Government-condemned-refusing-release-details-key-email-conversations-Covid-origins.html
The attached is interesting. There may be a case where leading advisors on both sides of the pond have failed to tell the truth to their own people! If you have nothing to hide, why would you redact the emails? [iWho can you trust?[/i'"
No idea. The Illuminati? The Bilderberg Group? David Icke?
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| Quote ="Sweaty Betty's" As for China, according to WHO, they have only had 5,699 deaths
obviously our government should have listened to their advisors!'"
you seem to question various facts and figures yet take as gospel the figures the Chinese government give to the WHO.
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| Quote ="nikos"you seem to question various facts and figures yet take as gospel the figures the Chinese government give to the WHO.
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Think he was being sarcastic.
Although interesting point, do you think China have had more deaths than this? If so, why on earth would they cover them all up, I mean there is no corruption is there apparently…
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| Quote ="WiganRL12345"Think he was being sarcastic.
Although interesting point, do you think China have had more deaths than this? If so, why on earth would they cover them all up, I mean there is no corruption is there apparently…'"
given they have a quarter of the planet's population, a death toll of a few thousand is disproportionately low.
Could be true, if they have a lockdown or mandate masks or vaccines, the one thing I am certain of is that this will have been heavily enforced and no freedom of choice.
Cant comment on the demographics of the China or quality of healthcare.
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| Quote ="nikos"you seem to question various facts and figures yet take as gospel the figures the Chinese government give to the WHO.
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I was making a point, to be honest I am not sure that I believe any of the facts presented to us. I definitely don't believe that in excess of 150,000 people in the UK have died with Coronavirus. Likewise I don't believe, as reported by that stellar organisation WHO (interestingly they are largely funded by the Chinese), that less than 6,000 of China's population have died with the disease. I think on the evidence of these two claims we can dismiss the majority of information which is being routinely fed to us and consequently we should be looking at the views and opinions of other scientists to balance the argument. So much is being hidden from the public, an example of that is the email exchanges that I posted above, involving Fauci and Vallance, another is the information that Pfizer has tried to suppress - it may make interesting reading when it is released.
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| Quote ="nikos"given they have a quarter of the planet's population, a death toll of a few thousand is disproportionately low.
Could be true, if they have a lockdown or mandate masks or vaccines, the one thing I am certain of is that this will have been heavily enforced and no freedom of choice.
Cant comment on the demographics of the China or quality of healthcare.'"
Exactly and given that you said that they were dropping like flies in the street then I think we all know that it is a lie. Lockdowns and masks would not have made a difference, you cannot stop the spread of this disease.
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| Quote ="nikos"you seem to question various facts and figures yet take as gospel the figures the Chinese government give to the WHO.
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It’s called confirmation bias. It’s the hall mark of any David icke loving idiot.
That’s why they still believe that moron on Joe rogan despite 300 of the worlds leading scientists complaining about him. Confirmation bias to a tee. Believe the one person that suits your agenda whilst discounting the 300 others that don’t
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| Quote ="TheWarringtonWolve69"It’s called confirmation bias. It’s the hall mark of any David icke loving idiot.
That’s why they still believe that moron on Joe rogan despite 300 of the worlds leading scientists complaining about him. Confirmation bias to a tee. Believe the one person that suits your agenda whilst discounting the 300 others that don’t'"
Even for a plastic scouser you talk some e.
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| Quote ="TheWarringtonWolve69"It’s called confirmation bias. It’s the hall mark of any David icke loving idiot.
That’s why they still believe that moron on Joe rogan despite 300 of the worlds leading scientists complaining about him. Confirmation bias to a tee. Believe the one person that suits your agenda whilst discounting the 300 others that don’t'"
Are you Professor Neil Ferguson in disguise? I wait for you to educate us, I may have to wait for a long time.
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| Overall i think its so so difficult for the average person in the street to juggle and balance all the information thats available to us. It's also a natural human trait find support for our own views, anyone remember Andrew Wakefield? Look at the damage he did,!! But i can quite understand people accepting his view, if it supported there own concerns...
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