It does seem that Vectra and Last Son have been attacked by some other posters to the point of bullying.

So you don't think that the likes of Radlinski, Harris and Deacon know what's gone on and Lenagan wouldn't have asked them.

"The rumours do suggest Ian lenegahn does not know what's gone on!"

Unbelievable !



What happens if nothing has gone on and IL knows exactly what the position is?
IL does have employees working for him in that area such as kris radii ski and Simon collinson, are you suggesting they're in on it now?are all the senior players in on it as we'll and covering it up?

So I don't think it's unreasonable for people not to, without further evidence, if they choose to, not believe rumours on an Internet forum? Is that ok?

If I knew something but I couldn't back it up I wouldn't keep reiterating it over and over again to every men and his dog on an Internet forum that they were all deludedly as they didn't believe me. I'd maybe say hock wasn't 100% to blame on e issue then keep my mouth shut.

Unbelieveable! As someone who is relatively independent in this argument, I would say that Ian Lenaghan is one of the few people who does know what has gone on. The delay in making any kind of announcement will have been because Lenaghan has been consulting the club's solicitors prior to making a statement (he did the same thing with Gleeson). Some of the conspiracy theories on here are incredible, but in actual fact the thread has been 48 pages of people allegedly 'in the know' saying absolutely nothing.
Hock has gone. He won't be coming back (although his body language at the Widnes Press conference seemed to show he didn't want to be there), get used to it.

Whether IL knows or not or when he became aware we will never know unless one day he tells us.
In the statement he alludes to the role of Gaz Hock's agent, refers to Gaz refusing to play for Wigan and various requests for a pay increase.
After all that IL did say that he still believed Gaz Hock is a Wigan lad at heart.
IL and Wigan have retained his registration and loaned him out.
To me IL has left enough wriggle room for Hock to make a return sometime in the future. Changes of personnel may have to happen before that but purely on reading IL's statement I'm convinced that there is room in there for the player to come back.
Plenty players have gone on loan and not returned.
Planty have gone on loan and returned.
No real precedent one way or the other.

I will reply to you Rogues Gallery as you seem far more polite than Juke. The rumour states that Ian Lenagan asked the person implicated who is still at Wigan RLFC if he knew the third party or the club was connected to him in anyway. The suggestion is that the person implicated denied even knowing the third party to Ian Lenagan. The person implicated is a senior person which means nobody is saying anything and Gareth Hock has gone to Widnes. I think we have all worked in businesses and organisation where the boss is the last to know because people do not openly tell their senior bosses very much. The rumour also suggests that the senior employee and the third party were both involved in events surrounding Martin Gleeson.

Cue further abuse from Juke

Feel free to point out any "abuse" in my post.

Edit
Apologies, just noticed I'm logged on with my sons I.d!
This is Jukesays.

As I said.
Feel free to point out any "Abuse".

But don't you think that Ian Lenagan would have asked a lot of people what was going on. I somehow can't buy into a complete cover up, not in Wigan where there is a rugby story on every corner and eyes and ears everywhere.

Now that IS interesting...

Or maybe the senior employee was just keeping a watch too see if the third parties young relations were worth signing?

We can all invent plausible stories, but can't explain why/how Ian Lenagan is being kept in the dark.

And a further incident from the previous year?

But it still doesn't mean it's true and how IL presumably doesn't know about it. Because if he did that would be one major cover up!

Not to mention possibly landing IL and others in serious police matters if they did know about it!

This is going to make a great film.

WIGANGATE

The greatest story ever told

Or

Fantasy island?

You mean the greatest story never told?

The only fantasy is the rubbish being discussed on this thread! IL knew exactly what was going on and personally negotiated a good deal given the situation that was forced on him by Hock. Most of the comments on tthis thread are way off the mark.

IL did not know about. If you took your defender of Wigan RLFC hat off for a second then maybe you will understand. I mentioned Gleeson because it was some time for two reasons. Wigan RLFC staff tried to get Martin Gleeson away before Madge saw him. He was too stubborn and Madge saw him which led to his eventual departure. A Wigan RLFC employee and the third party tried to solve the problem facing Martin Gleeson only to make it far worse.

In the last month or so Ian Lenagan asked that Wigan employee did he know the third party and he said no. The example shows you that Ian Lenagan clearly does not know everything that happens at Wigan RLFC and that employees lie to him.

The third party has done several 'tasks' for a Wigan employee in the name of Wigan RLFC.

Most people know that Gareth Hock is not the first person to go on loan to Widnes for a season due to internal problems at Wigan. One of the players involved in that issue who is still at Wigan was also guilty of vandalising (keying) another players car mid season. No public destruction of that Wigan player though by club or fans.

Discipline at Wigan RLFC has gone backwards since Michael Maguire left. Ian Lenagan is one man. A very clever and successful man who despite selling his business still divides his time between two sporting club and other activities.

Cue childish insults. Alternatively, heed what Last Son and Vectra are telling you.

Do you think that Ian Lenagan only asked one person, or are you saying it's a big cover up by management and players?

If he knew about it Rogues then he would not have made the press statement he did and somebody else may have lost their job. I believe Ian Lenagan tries to run Wigan to the highest standardspossible but he is just one person and the involvement of this third party would never have been allowed had Ian Lenagan known about it.

Ian Lenagan reads these boards, I find it very hard to believe he would counsel the opinion of just one person on such a serious matter. He has openly admitted to speaking to Hock and his agent. If they told him a different story then why wouldn't he ask others. Even you must admit that doesn't add up. Don't forget these meetings were before the statement.

I'm not saying you are completely wrong, but there are far too many holes in the rumours.

Gareth Hock refused to say anything. Likewise the other Wigan employee. How can Ian Lenagan be expected to solve a problem when neither person is giving him the information. The only solution was the one Ian Lenagan opted for.

I'm impressed the way you know so much about IL, his movements of the last few weeks, how much he knows, what conversations he's had, what decisions he reached, etc.

Presumably he told you all this?

Otherwise it's nothing but guesswork.

People questioning what you're posting on a public forum isn't bullying, insulting or anything else you might want to make up. Nothing in reply to any of the "free the Wigan one" defenders has come close to breaking the AUP. If you're that sensitive you can't handle people questioning rumours you're in the wrong place.

Then why did he not ask someone else? Radlinski for example.
I'm using Radlinski because he is a highly respected member of staff.

At 57 posts (not that it's a measure of quality) I'd have to question how this guy knows everything when IL does not.

To me this sounds more like a rumour that has been planted amidst the storm of Hock being removed. It's a bit naughty, but you only have to hook a couple of fans, to get it spread. The night Royce Simmons was sacked at Saints, several other stories came out, that where all fake. But given that we where already in the season and another match was due, none of them really took hold.

In the end IL and Hock have sat in the same room, if any of this other 3rd party stuff was true, Hock would have spoken about it and it would have been checked.

Everything else is just people latching onto others mischief.