I wasn`t aware of Kev Brown but I`m sure you are right Richie.
And to the other poster who says why doesn`t Zak sign for Warrington.
Once again just because the players in their team want him to sign doesn't mean that the chairman does or they can fit him under the cap.
Zak prefers Wire but Wigan are prepared to take him so who knows where he will end up.

I see you have declined to answer your last missive, “ most top athletes are on something” then as you know this, pray tell me those who are not.


As for being high, probably was, at Wembley last year, but ‘‘twas the elixir of life”

Regards.

But taking cocaine is not cheating...

Also, you have no evidence that the players you've listed never took any illegal substances. In fact, since there was very little testing during that era, it's quite possible that some, or all, of the players you listed could have taken substances which would now be considered illegal.

So no alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, anti-inflammatories, painkillers and so on?

The PEDs in a sport I can fully agree upon, however, non-performance enhancing recreational drugs? What happens if cannabis became legal here and effectively falls under the same rules as alcohol? If it's still banned in sport why? There are already cases in the US where this is happening. A legal substance leads to a ban but getting drunk doesn't.

Something used as an anesthetic is a performance enhancer? I'm pretty sure we can't measure performance enhancement by it making you laugh. Also made illegal in the UK in 1920, although ironically the UK is the worlds largest exporter of legal cocaine and heroin.

I never said I had any evidence Jeff. I accept times are different, and there are variants of drug chemistry which enhance or don’t, but will never endorse recreational drug use, or PED, while you are earning a living as a professional sportsman, you can dress it up as much as you want.

As a recipient of what we thought at the time was cocaine at the dentists in the sixties, if you are correct that it was banned in the U.K. in 1920, what exactly was injected Goobervision, another variant.

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There is a vast chasm of difference between endorsing drug use and not discarding young men who made a mistake.

Laughing gass through an inhaler

When do you discard a player? Is a serial offender not in more need of support to tackle their issues? look were the choices of Scott Moore and Malcom Alker have taken them. Has RL let them down? Or is the level of support you get dependent on your RL playing talent?

But look at someone like Ryan Bailey. In trouble with the law as a young lad, went to prison. Leeds gave him a second chance, and he became one of the most decorated players in SL history.

There is no black and white in any of these matters, it is all shades of grey. What works for one player, may not work for another.

A player like Scott Moore was given multiple chances. Every time a new indiscretion came out, his career went further and further down the spout. He went from Saints, at a time when they were one of the most dominant forces in SL, to Bradford in League One, all in a matter of ten years or so. I cannot comment on the support he received at his plethora of clubs he played at, but it certainly seems that clubs were willing to help him in his career.

The fact is, some players you just cannot help. But that is not to say that we don't continue to help players with issues.

With Hardaker, he has had his troubles, he will serve his ban and then time will tell. Perhaps whoever signs him will get a coke fiend, homophobic, aggressive thug. But maybe, they'll get a reformed character with a will to make good on the promise that allowed him to get a deal in the first place.

Nobody here knows what will happen in 2019, but one thing I do know is that he deserves a chance to redeem himself. Hardaker knows that this is the last chance saloon, and any indiscretions in future, could see him out of the game entirely.

well we went for Hock in the off season so Hardaker is no worse for me

Fans carried on loving Feka after getting convicted of breaking a puny mans jaw, to my knowledge Hardakers never even been to court, i could be wrong but i never found anything on the Google

No doubt you can reel off a long list of Feka's other misdemeanours........ Thought not.

Maybe we should rename him Hardtaker?

Not the point though is it, We have a mediocre a fan favourite who broke a smaller mans jaw in dubious circumstances convicted in a court of law and keeps his fan favourite status then a we have a great player who is a bit of a fanny but has never been convicted of a crime yet he is treated like Bealzebub himself, the guy has done no wrong as a player at Wigan so deserves the benefit of the doubt imo, the first time he puts a foot wrong then it's off to the Russian front with him

You asked why... first time??????

I just said that Feka had one indiscretion, for which he was punished, the injured party tried to withdraw the complaint incidentally... Hardaker is going to be liked less because he is a seriously stupid male appendage and looks, potentially, like an accident likely to happen....

Their relative abilities are irrelevant, silly of you to bring that in to bolster your flimsy argument, hardly anyone has questioned Hardakers talent...

Oh, and read up on the Russian front, a bit of chatter on an internet forum hardly compares, wind your neck in a bore off.... HTH

This was something very out of character for Feka, and as stated previously, the complainant attempted to drop the charges.

Hardaker is on his third or fourth indiscretion as a player, and that could be where the differences lay. Plus, everyone understands that anyone can lose their temper and throw a punch. Homophobic abuse and drug use is something different entirely. You are trying to compare apples and oranges with this comparison.

Ok

KK

you are right it is totally different. what is also obvious is that the RFL wouldn't have half of the players it has available if we took recreational drug use into consideration; if you honestly think that it is only ZH that has done the things he has done then you are deluded beyond repair.

you see 13 role-models on a pitch, yes, so do I. But we have no idea what half of them get up to away from it and to be honest I don't care, they can do what they want - its none of my business. performances on the pitch are what i care about. if ANYONE stepped out of line then i'd expect the club relating to the player to take the relevant action just like all clubs do in all sports. I really do not see the hype about ZHs past discretions and I don't care if you think he will never learn.

don't just assume ZH is the worst of the guilty parties because he is not. if he does sign for us and then slips up, it is his own fault.

Plus he beats up university students

Regards

King James

Does he Lebron? Bloody hell, that is news to EVERYONE on RLFans and indeed the world as a whole.

You ever thought of going into investigative journalism? I think you have a knack for it.

Ha ha

Hardaker is a better fullback than Sam but pretty equal as a player.

Sam wants the money and has proved that, so if we can get Zak on half the money it's pretty good business.

Good work by IL if it happens.