Scott Dureau (sp) would also be in with a shout especially if Le Cats kick on. He is the best opposition player that I have seen at Wigan this season.

Scott Parker didn't win the equivalent of the Man of Steel (chosen by the players), Gareth Bale did. Parker won the football writers and there's no way on earth had he played for Wigan or Stoke he would have been voted for the London centric football journos.

it cant be ne other that lockers of sam for this surely,

If Roby wins it nobody can argue really. Maybe he will give to Trent Barratt to replace the one he stole from him a few years ago! That was a joke!!
Sam has been fantastic as has lockers.
I'd like to see Lockers win it.
I don't think Sam is popular amongst opposition players to get their votes which is unfair but thats the way it is.

Who do you reckon for rookie of the year. I have a financial interest in Charnley, who must be in the running. Lomax also springs to mind.

rookie u have to be looking at mossop of charnley, surely,

Lord Mossop of Charnley. He sounds posh.

Lomax will win the Rookie award anyway. He's had a great season.

I beginning to see a trend. They don't have to be Wigan players you know.

Foster would get it ahead of Charnley anyway, like it or not.

And how old is Mossop? He'd certainly be in with a shout if he's young enough.

There can't be any other players in SL, surely.

Charnleys stats are better than Fosters but i do like him he will be goal kicking in 4 years time for England

You can talk about stats all you want but the crucial stat for a winger is probably tries scored. Foster, at the moment has scored more. Foster has also made less errors. Two pretty big stats when discussing a winger.

Charnley has also been exposed in defence quite often.

Don't get me wrong, Charnley is a great young player and should have a big future ahead him. But you don't have to make a case for each and every Wigan player. You are the unltimate cock measurer.

totally agree with the lockers comment.

and i would definitely prefer to see a player like lockers win it instead of sam.

I said i liked Foster i would have him over Charnley

Charnleys stats are better thats all, also Foster got run over by Karl Pryce thats exposure if ever i've seen it

Charnley's stats are better for a reason. Judging Foster purely as a winger he's basically a younger Daz Goulding. If he wasn't an immense goal-kicker nobody would really notice his play. He's solid and rarely makes an error but do you think Foster could have scored the try Charnley scored against Wire in the CC?

For a Winger, tries scored stats are less relevant than for anyone else. Look at Ade Gardner - not even close to Richards, but had similar try stats as he made a career out of falling over the line having 2 world class centres inside him.

By try stats alone - Richards was marginally better than Goulding in 2010, yet we all know the reality is very different.

This.

Richards' clean breaks, tackle busts, carries and metres gained stats probably show the reality better than the try scorer stats.... his overall contribution was immense for a winger. It was a fabulous season.

No but then again Fosters defence would have been better

Both have good and bad points and both will be playing for England in the future

Id love Lockers to win it because he is our man of steel.. although Id love Sam to win it just because the whole of Rugby League would go in to meltdown

And could Charnley have scored the try Foster scored at Leeds back in March (the one which won him try of the month from Sky)? Jamie Foster's build allows him to score tries that Charnley, being bigger, would not manage. The opposite applies also. I can't imagine Foster barging over for a try ever but Charnley would do that relatively easily.

Are you saying that Foster only scored that try because he's skinny? I'm pretty sure Charnley isn't so big that he can't reach around his back with both hands. He's not David Solomona! Anyway I was referring more to the pace that Charnley showed in going the length of the field, something I've never seen Foster do. Granted I don't see every Saints game but Foster has never struck me as having a lot of out and out speed

Depends what criteria they apply;
- if it's Workrate, Endurance, Toughness and Durability then it's going to be Roby (with Lockers and Westwood battling for runner up)
- if it's Creativity, Gamebreaking Ability and Natural Attacking Talent then it's Sam (with Chase, Dureau, Monaghan and Hodgson not far behind)

I think Man of Steel was originally intended to be the former and more of a forwards award, but the likes of Hodgson, Richards and Wellens winning it in the past has confused the criteria somewhat.

The idea of the MOS is to vote for the player that has "made the most impact in super league"

Based on that it's Sam every day of the week, lockers, Westwood and to a certain extent Roby (less so) are just ruthlessly efficient i.e they don't make a huge impact, they just do their job very well

That may be the case now, but certainly wasn't when Adrian Vowles was winning MOS.