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| Quote ="jungle man"Your round then!'"
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| Quote ="jungle man"This just gets better. God where do you all come from?? You are saying that the decisions went against you when we played at ours?????? Jeeesss. Where have I said anything about Wigan not deserving to be top of the league? League tables do not lie. We had this thrown at us when we were top, as we hadn't "played" anybody. You can only beat what's in front of you. The point I was making is Maguire did not say to the players "just go out and give 75% that will be enough to beat these", as it doesn't work that way. If you think it does, then that's another debate at another time. You probably didn't play to your best and if you manage your resources, you would have played a team mixed with reserves, but credit has to go to us in the way we stopped you from doing the things you do best. The "try" was scored when the score was 16-16 so was a big moment in the scheme of things.'"
Did you see the Leigh v Batley game tonight? Leigh were awarded a similar try by the video ref. Its called dummy running.
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| Quote ="The Ginger Pearl"Did you see the Leigh v Batley game tonight? Leigh were awarded a similar try by the video ref. Its called dummy running.'"
Yep. An art that has been spoiled by terrible decision making.
I fully expected it to be disallowed, but for all the wrong reasons.
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| Quote ="jungle man"What a load of tosh. At least be humble in victory and give credit to a young/massively under strength Cas team. Are you telling me that you were superior to us with the amount of players we had missing?. Unless it's Leeds, Wigan, Saints and Warrington, no one else has injury problems. The simple fact of the matter is that diabolical decision to allow Carmonts try changed the game. That incident is obstruction 10 times out of 10, but for some reason Bentham thought bowling over a player in the defensive line is OK. In regards to Ferres, the ball looked lodged between the players legs after they started to get back up. After those 2 decisions, I was ready for TRY or PENTALTY TRY to appear on the screen after JL lost the ball under the sticks!!!. At this moment in time, there is only one winner of Super League 2011 and it's not you lot that's for sure!!!'"
Maybe you could take your own council and be gracious in defeat. Or does only apply to everyone BUT you?
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"I know where the 2 points went! I know it was disallowed. That's why they have a review to improve their performance.
No where have I said we was robbed or owt daft like that! And I won't be
But for pies to say they no better than the bloke who has the final say on how the rules should be interpreted sums up how arrogant and deluded some of you are. No suprise to anyone.'"
So you believe in infallible officials now do you Wilko? Strange that, because you never have in the past. Or maybe you only do when it suits your argument.
FYI Cummins' opinion on this is no more valid than mine and in this case even your assertion that only the revised opinion matters is incorrect. In actual fact, the only 'correct' decision was the one given on the night. The rest is merely hindsight and second guessing and I know FOR A FACT that it was no try.
HTH.
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"Maybe you could take your own council and be gracious in defeat. Or does only apply to everyone BUT you?
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Okay okay............ you won we lost blah blah blah happy now??
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| maybe he could hire Ed Milliband, he seems to know the hand signals:
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"No matter what Cummings says McGuire lost control of the ball, it went forward and hit the ground. It's a knock on.
If he was correct, how long do you leave it before you call the knock on, does the ball have to bounce above knee height? McGuire only tried to kick the ball because he lost control.'"
People seem to think I'm arguing the refs got it wrong. I'm not. I'm saying the refs on revue say the call was wrong. that is a fact.
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"So you believe in infallible officials now do you Wilko?'"
Nope but to say cummins is wrong when be decides how the rules should be interpreted is daft. I think the bloke is a muppet. But im not daft enough to think I know better than blokes who do the job full time.
People think they could do better but they couldn't! And if people think they really could! Then man up and go do it coz it's not that hard to get into.
But people don't have the brains, fitness, effort or bottle to get off their ar$es and do it.
you will have to look long and hard to find a post where I hammer a ref for my teams loss.
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| Quote ="I8pies"Its "know" not "no" .... now put your crayons down and get back in your classroom son'"
water off a ducks back. I'm a dyslexic so i make pretty basic errors some times but I don't need a lesson from you. I've heard it all before.
The son comment makes you look like a right numpty! Typical from some know nowt newbie.
But I wouldn't mind been back at school as the kids in Sydney are off this week and even though it winter it's been in the high teens to 20's so I'm in shorts n T's.
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| I don't like complaining too much about officials, but (even as a Leeds fan) I can't get on board, as they say, with Mr Cummins on this one. For me it is probably a matter of interpretation of the laws. I think (hard to be sure) that McGuire intended to kick. However I don't for a second think he intended that kick to be a drop kick and simply lost the execution under pressure. I can see that a very inflexible interpretation of the laws might just yield a decision of "try" but for me the common sense decision was the one made on the night.
Not that I wouldn't have taken it had the try been given you understand.
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| Quote ="El Diablo"I don't like complaining too much about officials, but (even as a Leeds fan) I can't get on board, as they say, with Mr Cummins on this one. For me it is probably a matter of interpretation of the laws. I think (hard to be sure) that McGuire intended to kick. However I don't for a second think he intended that kick to be a drop kick and simply lost the execution under pressure. I can see that a very inflexible interpretation of the laws might just yield a decision of "try" but for me the common sense decision was the one made on the night.
Not that I wouldn't have taken it had the try been given you understand.'"
Yeah I pretty much agree with that
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| Quote ="El Diablo"I don't like complaining too much about officials, but (even as a Leeds fan) I can't get on board, as they say, with Mr Cummins on this one. For me it is probably a matter of interpretation of the laws. I think (hard to be sure) that McGuire intended to kick. However I don't for a second think he intended that kick to be a drop kick and simply lost the execution under pressure. I can see that a very inflexible interpretation of the laws might just yield a decision of "try" but for me the common sense decision was the one made on the night.
Not that I wouldn't have taken it had the try been given you understand.'"
Thank you! Leeds fan with sense.
This is what happens when you apply sense to the decision making. If he was in a position where a dropgoal would have been a viable option then fine but he wasnt he was attempting to kick through and tomkins got his arm as he dropped the ball to kick and this meant it hit the ground first. Simple!
I dont care what Cummins says tbh because he may "make the rules" but hes also wrong all the time. And as for Ganson he will only admit he got it wrong to not make Cummins look stupid to "fall in line" I dont for a second believe that Ganson actually feels he got it wrong.
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| Like it onedego
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| Quote ="Conroy"Yep. An art that has been spoiled by terrible decision making.
I fully expected it to be disallowed, but for all the wrong reasons.'"
I expected forums to be going mad about it! Oh no wait it was Leigh not Wigan!
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| Quote ="El Diablo"I don't like complaining too much about officials, but (even as a Leeds fan) I can't get on board, as they say, with Mr Cummins on this one. For me it is probably a matter of interpretation of the laws. I think (hard to be sure) that McGuire intended to kick. However I don't for a second think he intended that kick to be a drop kick and simply lost the execution under pressure. I can see that a very inflexible interpretation of the laws might just yield a decision of "try" but for me the common sense decision was the one made on the night.
Not that I wouldn't have taken it had the try been given you understand.'"
Agree with you there...
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| Watch Stuart Cummings on the You tube dirty tackles, i.e Skerrett & Cowie, it goes to show you he's never had a clue how to referee a game of RL
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| Quote ="The Ginger Pearl"told BBC manc that Ganson was wrong to disallow the McGuire try last Friday! What a twonk, clear no try, even Brian Mac said in the interview that he did drop it before he kicked it. Never known a ref to hate Wigan as much as he did, no wonder the refs are always such a big talk after Wigan games with him in charge.'"
Cummings does not hate Wigan, nor any team for that matter. He is rank incompetent. Cummings takes over as Controller of Referees, standards decline, rapidly.
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| I officiate at amature level and regardless of Cummins view and regardless of what direction comes down from above that was a knock on end of story. there is no middle ground, no attempt was made for a drop goal and I would give a knock every time for the same situation without hesitation.
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| Quote ="Carneys Cover"I officiate at amature level and regardless of Cummins view and regardless of what direction comes down from above that was a knock on end of story. there is no middle ground, no attempt was made for a drop goal and I would give a knock every time for the same situation without hesitation.'"
I was speaking to another referee last night who said almost exactly the same thing.
The very fact that Cummins saw fit to show his a**e by making such a public statement is proof enough that this man should not be anywhere near an official post in the RFL, though I'm now starting to believe that idiots like him are appointed by Red Hall in order to make the rest of them look good. That's surely the only explanation.
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| It amazes me that even though we seem to have a couple of controversial decisions each week in superleague, Cummings decided this one was worth commenting on.
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| Quote ="daved"It amazes me that even though we seem to have a couple of controversial decisions each week in superleague, Cummings decided this one was worth commenting on.'"
Could agree more!
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| The most contraversial player in SL is Ryan Bailey, always been a dirty rotten cowardly cheat, why doesn't Cummings pass comment on him? Instead the SL suspends Coley for doing what every player in SL wants to do. Your allowed to to take off Tomkins head, your allowed kick up into Joels eyes in the tackle, rip the ball out and perform mulitple chicken wings.
Oops hold on, there not easy to deal with, so lets pick a easy subject, a technical should it have been, should it not have been incident. Cummings is a pathetic idiot who should go away and let the big boys deal with the real matters at hand.
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| Quote ="Mash Butty"The most contraversial player in SL is Ryan Bailey, always been a dirty rotten cowardly cheat, why doesn't Cummings pass comment on him? Instead the SL suspends Coley for doing what every player in SL wants to do. Your allowed to to take off Tomkins head, your allowed kick up into Joels eyes in the tackle, rip the ball out and perform mulitple chicken wings.
Oops hold on, there not easy to deal with, so lets pick a easy subject, a technical should it have been, should it not have been incident. Cummings is a pathetic idiot who should go away and let the big boys deal with the real matters at hand.'"
I think we all know what you are even though you attemp to hide it and dare not post under your usual name.
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| Watchin the Cats V Leeds game now, its non stop cheating and head high tackles from Leeds.
Mr Cummings address this dirt or resign
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