You've proved nothing except that you don't like people disagreeing with you, and are still capable of having tantrums about it days, maybe even weeks, later.

No-one knows what's happening here, including you. In fact I've often thought from your previous posts that you know less than most - on just about every issue. So until we have proof (of the real sort, not of your imaginary sort) that the Wigan chairman has got something wrong, I WILL blindly defend him. Better that than blindly attacking him.

You think I'm an Ian Lenagan insider? Well, if it's any consolation I don't think you're a Dave Whelan insider. Because Dave Whelan would only use people who he knows can get a result for him.

Touche!!

For the love of god mate, this 'exact same thing' is from a club who's season was effectively over weeks ago, not one in a playoff spot. I wonder if they'd have done exactly the same if they'd actually been facing relegation and still had a chance to survive?

Is it so hard to comprehend that situations are not black and white, and that what's good for the goose isn't always good for the gander?

I'm now wishing IL would announce something, not because I have a burning desire to know or think it's necessary, but rather just to shut up a tiny handfull of posters on this forum as it's got beyond tiresome to read the same old stuff over and over and over and over and over and over and over........................................

Bloody hell it's like people who try and 'win' their point in a meeting by banging on and on until everybody else is so desperate for a pee that they just cave in.

You, DaveO, AJ, you all WIN if it will stop anymore of this.

OMG! talk about hard faced! I dont like people disagreeing with me? You are the absolute master of spitting the dummy out if somebody even questions your opinion never mind disagree's!



Where have i ever stated that i or anyone else knows whats happening? Ive given my opinion of what i think may of happened and that is based on what has been said/done. Since you have admitted you do not know what is happening then it kind of makes your argument that i am wrong plain daft!



I can live with that. I will hardly lose sleep because somebody who thinks they know it all and their word is final thinks that 'i know less than most'.



I have yet to see anyone attack him other than state they think he has handled the situation badly. Giving your opinion on what you think is right is hardly attacking somebody.



No your right im not a Dave Whelan insider

Look will you please read the posts properly instead of jumping the gun.

I stated that it would of been reasonable for IL to come out and say 'Brian Noble will not be here next year and we will make an announcement on the new coach as soon as possible'.

Cruncher then stated that IL would of looked like a prat if he had gone down that route.

Well 10 pages on im still wondering why IL would of looked like a prat.

I used the Celtic scenario as an example of a club announcing their coach is leaving without them stating who their new coach is.

Do you think they look like prats?

What I still fail to understand is why some people think they know how the club should be run. Is it unique to Wigan fans that they think they should be the ones to decide the timing of announcements etc? I'm baffled.

Only you could still be harbouring resentment about something said 10 pages ago or whatever it was. It seems more like 10 weeks to me, but clearly its still an open sore for you. Don't you get it that every situ at every club is different? You can't say: "Celtic did it so that means Wigan should too" - especially when you have no inside information at all (by your own admission), and expect to be taken seriously.

Give it a rest, mate. If you want to claim some kind of moral victory on the basis that Celtic, whose season is now over, have announced their changes for next season, while Wigan, who are in the play offs, are biding their time - fine, you can have it. Like the rest of the world cares (or even has a clue what you're chunnering about).

When you say "Wigan fans"... Its only a small number.. As its only a small number that "Walk".. its just suits some peoples opinion to exaggerate the truth to make a "truth".

You cant make things up just to suit your argument. I never ever said because Celtic did it so should we. What i said was there was no reason IL could not of told everyone that Brian Noble was leaving weeks ago. You rubbished what i said claiming IL would look like a prat as he didnt have a new coach to announce. Since nobody thinks Celtic are prats for doing exactly what i suggested then i fail to see why you think IL would of looked a prat and i am a 'plonker' as you said earlier in the thread. If you call somebody a plonker you have to expect them to come back at you not roll over and just agree with you that your right which it seems you think everybody should do.




Thanks,it takes a brave man to admit he was wrong

On the other hand there seems to be loads of people who think they know how the team should be coached!

At the end of the day the table doesn't lie!! We've finished 6th and the standard of the rugby across the board has been some of the poorest I’ve ever seen. Neither Saints or Leeds have been spectacular, Hull KR have had a poor finish to the year and Wakey have had their backs against the wall with injuries, Catalan have gone backwards and that’s just the top eight! Out side of the playoffs you’ve got teams like Celtic and Salford who haven’t got up to speed with SL and Bradford and Hull FC are shadows of their former self’s.

Noble has taken numerous bad decisions and calls during the season and the blame has to land at his door for what has been a very poor season;

-First game of the season why didn’t he start with a either Mcilorum or Tomkins on the bench? The game of musical chairs we played that day when Riddell went off was a farce tbf.

-Starting Feka in the first few games of the season meant we had zero impact mixed in with no hooker off the bench.

-Playing an unfit Roberts at the start of the season (Roberts imo is a good player but he was rushed back from an injury we were told would keep him out for a good few early games) It effected his confidence coming back unfit and not up to speed and provided zero benefit for the team.

-Dropping Sam Tomkins and rushing Riddell back from injury against Hull KR a week after Tomkins had won the CC game for us against Wakey was a stupid decision.

-Constantly picking Tim Smith even tho he couldn’t tackle to save his life!! He showed from the start of the season very little to justify the hype he came over with. Regardless of how well he can pass a ball it’s all pointless if he lets players go past him for fun.

-He’s not driving the players hard enough imo—Hock getting banned, Feka and Riddell not being as fit as they could be, Fielden performing inconsistent for the past few years and not being bulked up even tho any man and his dog can see he needs the extra bulk when you compare him to players like Peacock, Graham, Carvell and Morley. Those are the top props in SL and that’s the bracket Fielden was in and the type of player we need.

That’s just what I’ve made of this season and I just don’t like what Noble has done for us this season.

I’m sure not everyone will agree and claim Noble is still a world class coach but I just can’t see.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - If some posters on here were allowed to run our club, they'd run it into the bloody ground (and yes that includes myself

).

IL knows what he's doing, its so blatently obvious BN won't be here next season that IMO no announcement is needed anymore!

As I just said on another thread! We Have been poor all season and yet with 3 more wins we could of finished second.

Super league is shocking and a joke!

Exactly but more worrying than that is it goes to show just how poor we have been this season.

This year we’ve lost to some poor teams and had to fight real hard to beat some as well.

Now I still don’t think all the players are as bad as people make out and I know we can’t continue down the same road we’ve been on for a few years now.

So what do we do?

The simple and most straight forward answer imo is to get rid of Noble and bring in a fresh approach.

How do you know?

And don't give us some 'round the houses' pile of self-justifying windbag drivel. Just tell us clearly and concisely how you know this to be 100% true. Think carefully, because it seems to me that your entire argument is hanging from this one nail.

By the way, you were a 'plonker' for calling someone out over some minor disagreement from days and days before, and quoting something completely irrelevant to try and prove you were correct after all. I think most folk would agree that was a fairly plonkerish thing to do.

Well, I agree for one.

I don't want to get embroiled in another "mediocre SL" thread, but the standard of rugby this season has been poor. Saints are a shadow of the side they were 3 or 4 years ago, Leeds are nothing special. We weren't that far off 3rd but have been absymal for large parts of this season. The "chasing pack" hasn't caught up with Saints and Leeds, the top sides have been dragged down, sadly.

Whilst this is bad news for RL in general, its great news for Wigan - if Wigan could be better organised in the backroom and installed a forward thinking coach we could be challenging for honours with the players we already have and with our unrivalled local player base we could really benefit from the current system (not that I think the CC is right, obviously!

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Well I have said it before and I will say it again if Mo had handled the coaching situation like this everyone including you would want him lynched.

Why is IL immune from criticism?

But what I really don't get is the opinion put forward that "we don't need to know". Why don't we need to know? The other one is "we have no right to know". I think these arguments are spurious nonsense because this a sport club and fans want to know the coaching issue is being addressed. The silence form the club in this and the Hock situation as well for that matter [uis down right poor public relations.[/u That alone is reason enough for the club to have commented along the lines of "Noble won't be our coach and a new one will be announced in due course". You can have all the fans forums you want but if when there is a real issue to be addresses of genuine concern to the fans and the club is completely silent on the matter it shows those things up as rather pointless events.

All this "it will affect us in the play offs" is nonsense because apparently Noble and the players know the score already. If they don't and are is in the dark as we are, [ithat[/i might affect them.

Dave

dave, why does IFL deserve any critism in the first place??

i actually agree with you that all he had to do was come out and say brian noble wont be here next season. the bottom line is he hasnt so move on!

he said at the first fans forum that he never comments on rumours/speculation so why should he change his stance on them issue's now just because afew posters on the forums want to know everything thats going on at the club??

as i said afew pages back everything wil come out in due course. i really dont see what the problem is well have a coach next season maybe a new signing or two, so why not enjoy the rest of this season and worry about next season when 2009 is over,
as for the hock comment imo IFL did nothing wrong in giving a no comment stance on that issue.

The comparison's with Mo make me laugh, and although he has a genius at the time he failed to adapt to the modern era when the cap came in and the result nearly saw us relegated from the League.

Mo is/was a showman he liked to create headlines liked to ruffle a few feathers, and while it did work, it had its time and sadly for him and us that was pre cap.

We are in the 2009 season, why not concentrate our efforts on that, rather than constantly looking forward, why not deal with 2010 at the conclusion of the 2009 season.

Simply because it is different to the way Mo went about things does not make it wrong, its simply a different approach.

I am happy to follow a different path if it leads to long term success for the club, Mo's showman efforts were not paying off leading to us being used to manipulate every NRL players contract negotiations and ensure we ourselves paid over the odds for players.

Rather than give him stick why not just be patient and see what this approach brings? If after a couple of years or even when the announcements are made for 2010 you are not happy then have a go.

This is what concerns me about the anti-IFL campaign. I've been accused of always defending him, but some people it seems are always attacking him, and I don't understand why.

Question - what do we know about the Noble situ? Answer - nothing.

Yet we've had quotes like "it's an absolute disgrace", it's "totally unjustifiable", etc. At the end of the day, while he may have handled the PR side of this badly (though we don't know that for a fact yet, because we simply don't know what's going on), it's not as if it's the end of the world. A small bunch of fans, and a few journalists who are notorious for showing pique when they aren't kept in the loop (i.e. Eddie and Stevo) are the only people making an issue of this. I think in his time thus far he's got a couple of things wrong, but nothing comparable to some of the errors Mo and Whelan made towards the end of their period in power - so I don't accept this argument that "if Mo had done this, he'd be lynched". Mo would have been, it's true, but that would have come the back of 'breaking the cap', selling young players off, chopping and changing coaches all the time, almost getting us relegated, etc. This idea that IFL shouldn't be immune to criticism is fine, except that those making the point always seem to be looking to criticise, despite having very little reason to.

The other thing is - I've been quite unnerved by rumours I've heard recently about Whelan showing renewed interest in taking over Wigan RL. It may be rubbish, and I don't think IFL's the sort of guy to cut and run just because people are calling him names. But if he's feeling the economic pinch, and if Whelan's causing problems for him, and if all his best efforts are failing to turn Wigan back into a force, and if he's reading nothing but bitter critisicm on-line, it may well dent his enthusiasm.

Criticism is fine, but when there doesn't appear to be much to criticise for, it strikes me as just more of the rampant negativity that certain trypes of Wigan fans seem to revel in. Just off the top of my head, I also remember having to listen to bitter criticism by certain Wigan fans of, among others, Graham Lowe, John Monie, Ellery Hanley, Shaun Edwards, Steve Hamson, Graeme West, Martin Offiah, etc. Even ebullient characters like these could do no right for some Wigan fans. So what chance a guy who's main fault so far seems to be prudence?

It's always made me laugh being a Wigan fan, I can still remember some bitter thick guy stood behind me who used to shout 'Anley, thys a load o e' anytime he made the slightest error, although not quite so politely as the swear filter on here

Hope Nobbie stays better the devil u know an all that wud need somebody big to replace him

Firstly the only two people who are "entitled" to know what is going on are IL and BN.

The real question is not whether an announcement has or hasn't come out, it's what has happened in the background.

If rumours are to believed that Nobby found out from a friend that IL had approached another coach then that is unfortunate, but it happens. The real measure of IL as a person is how he reacted to this, once it became clear that BN knew about it. I don't know the detail around this and I suspect 99% of people on this board also fall into that camp.

With regard to a replacement, I think it is virtually nailed on that BN will move (I wouldn't be surprised if BN was the one who decided to move on after the above fiasco, but that's purely conjecture on my behalf).

I don't know enough about this Mcguire guy, but I have to say I would be a little disappointed. Wigan is the biggest club side in RL and we need a big coach. Next year we will be competeting against sides coached by Mick Potter, Tony Smith, Brian McClennen etc. We need to compete with this knowledge and experience. I don't want an Aussie "prospect" coming over here and learning his trade, I want the finished article.


In these days of the CC chairmen have it relatively easy in terms of financial exposure. They effectively get the players "on the cheap". Time for IL to put his hands in his pockets and get us the coach we deserve.

From I'm hearing down the road, McGuire wouldn't have too much trouble outcoaching Mick Potter.