Be fair Cruncher... Leave him at least one straw to clutch at....

Indeed you have. Spanking the crap teams in the league and scoring against the leagues top defences however is a different matter.

The top 5 defences in the league belong to Wire, Us, Saints, Hull and Huddersfield. Points scored against those sides is as follows:

Saints - Wire 60 (av 30) Wigan 94 (av 23.5)
Hudds - Wire 56 (av 18.6) wigan 66 (av 33)
Hull - Wire 10 (av 10) wigan 44 (av 22)
Wigan - Wire 48 (av 24)
Wire - Wigan 50 (av 25)

So, as you can see. You have only managed to score (or average) more points against St Helens. We have outscored you by 10 points against Hudds despite playing 1 game less than you and having a weak team without our top scorers Sam and Richards in one of those.

So, as inside man said, you're attack is much better against Harlequins.

Talking about league? You have only scored 6 points against us..

Ok. We'll talk about the league.


You've outscored us once against St Helens.

Ultimate Troll Repellent.

Funny you should mention us playing Hudds more then you but not two extra games against Saints and the one against Hull on your list.

Could be because he specifically refers to outscoring you against them despite us playing less games.

In both cases re Saints and Hull, we outscored you after playing more games, which is what you'd expect really.

Doesn't mention us having this higher "average" against Saint despite playing half as many games.

Wigan fans will say their attack is better and Wire fans will say theirs is better and you could be here all day, personally am looking forward to having another go at you with Briers in the side and hopefully couple more bodies back should we meet in Sept/Oct.

There is no i in team

I'd argue that it's essential you beat us when we next play - from a Wire perspective.

Wigan will be in the post-Wembley daze, whether they've won or lost.

If Wire fail to put Wigan away that day, especially with so much riding on it - i.e. top spot - then there will be questions asked about your team's abilty to handle tough opposition. Running in massive scores against the minnows will count for nothing.

You might hold onto that in hope.

Nice try at a wind up though unless you really think we can't do it against "tough opposition" after the season we have had, well even your not that stupid.

Whoa ... a nerve plucked there.

No wind-up, pal. You need to win that game or you'll look of bunch of prunes.

No and no.

You win you finish top happy days.

We win we then have a chance to come top against Hull, don't kid yourself though a Wire win and all sorts of excuses will come out of the woodwork mark my words.

Trying to suggest a defeat for us would effect the play-offs is just silly.

Like it or not, the Warrington renaissance has been tarnished by an inabilty to deliver at the business end of the season. That may have been down to the Wembley distraction - something which may also affect Wigan. But that's my point. If Wire start slipping up again as we approach the tough stuff, then it won't look good.

Whatever happens at Wembley, Wigan will not be as well prepared for their next league match as normal. It's a great opportunity for you lot to win. But if you don't, well ...

And if we win what effect would that have on Wigan...?

Mean if it doesn't look good for us how would it look for you? unable to beat a Wire side without 3 key players, being the Champion side you are it shouldn't be a problem

whoever wins and finishes top or 2nd will still have to win 3 on the bounce to lift the GF Trophy. And unless you win your last game of the season you win nothing.

Oh dear... The point is we are half expecting to lose... Its the week after a cup final, any team would be vulnerable, and any good coach can dress it up as such... You would have no excuse for losing.

That was my point, but I suspect he's deliberately missing it.

Doesn't sound like the Wigan way? and didn't MM want to win all 3?

Excuses excuses

Dress it up whichever way you want Crunchy, your point about it effecting us and raising questions was poor and you know it.

Bookies have Wigan as favs to win the shield..

Gut feeling. I think we will (certainly to push you all the way).

Should we win at Wembley, I woulds expect something like the following: The lads to have a session on Saturday night in London and then be given Sunday & Monday off on holiday (no alcohol), then training Tuesday, which leaves Weds/Thurs/Fri and Saturday before the game on Sunday....easy enough time to recover.

Maguire will have the players chomping at the bit for the Wire game (regardless of the Wembley result), in days gone by under Noble then yes I would expect us to go in half baked, but not under MM.

Finally bit of sense instead of looking for a bite.

Even if we do beat you IMO we have the toughest fixture possible because Hull are in a real battle with there rivals for the 8th spot