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| Quote ="Donkey OTay"Oh yes you would and so would every club. Where do you think the money comes from to keep a 100% pro league going?'"
read what i put and the previous comments before quoting me
i agree an i said we wouldnt boycott sky so we shouldnt boycott the beeb
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| Quote ="The Yellow Giraffe"The BBC have paid for the right to demand when the game will be played. They obviously want the game to be played when they feel they will get the biggest tv audience, and that happens to be Saturday 2:30pm. Wigan can't just decide to play it on the Friday and stop it from being on BBC, that is a ridiculous suggestion.
The BBC are not to blame for this.'"
no it isnt ridiculous.
the BBC know our situation, if they cant come to a comprimise with sky, then they wont have a game to show , will they?
IL should stand his ground on this.
the RFL have caused the problem with ridiculous schedulling..let the RFL intervene to solve it.
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| Quote ="wigan pie man"the BBC know our situation, if they cant come to a comprimise with sky, then they wont have a game to show , will they?'"
Of course they will, just not at the DW. Which is your problem, not the BBC's.
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| OKAY, if we can't use the DW for the match on Saturday we would still be the "home" team if we went to HJ, Halton, Leigh, Bolton......... But if we did come to an agreement with Sts to use langtree would we still be the "home" team and hence have up to 70% of the capacity in the stands we choose...If not then we need to play anywhere but Langtree so we have the opportunity of our fans getting admitance
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| Quote ="pie.warrior"OKAY, if we can't use the DW for the match on Saturday we would still be the "home" team if we went to HJ, Halton, Leigh, Bolton......... But if we did come to an agreement with Sts to use langtree would we still be the "home" team and hence have up to 70% of the capacity in the stands we choose...If not then we need to play anywhere but Langtree so we have the opportunity of our fans getting admitance'"
I wondered this too, especially since the longer this drags on without a resolution, the more I expect the RFL to step in and switch the fixture to Langtree.
What happened with Oldham there last week? The fixture continued to be listed as Oldham v St Helens; were Oldham given the home changing room etc?
I think the ticketing side of it would be irrelevant - demand didn't seem to massively outstrip supply for the Super League game there last month, so we'd probably take a similar number again; and Saints fans would treat it as a 'home' fixture regardless of designation - so if it gets switched to Langtree Park, I'm pretty sure it'll be more a case of 'Saints v Wigan' than 'Wigan v Saints' no matter what the official fixtures list says.
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| quality - be the home team at the Screwfix and all but kick them out of their own stadium
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| Quote ="wigan pie man"no it isnt ridiculous.
the BBC know our situation, if they cant come to a comprimise with sky, then they wont have a game to show , will they?
IL should stand his ground on this.
the RFL have caused the problem with ridiculous schedulling..let the RFL intervene to solve it.'"
You are completely missing the point.
The BBC do not have to compromise with anybody. They have paid their money and have the right to choose which games they show, and when. It is then the responsibiltiy of each 'home' side to stage that fixture. In this instance, Wigan seemingly can't stage the fixture at the DW.
The only way that the RFL should intervene is to decide the alternative venue. They should not, and in my opinion will not, attempt to co-erce to BBC into changing their scheduling.
What is the point of the BBC paying money to have the choice, if that choice is then taken away because Dave Whelan doesn't want his pitch messing up?? This isn't a Saints fan having a dig at Wigan, I'm just giving you the facts.
Unfortunately this is one of the risks, or potential problems, when renting/leasing/sharing with a Premier League football club. Fortunately, this scenario has only occurred once or twice in the 10+ years you've been away from Central Park.
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| I agree totally mr giraffe.
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| Why when the final is months away have the RFL scheduled a round of matches to coincide with FA Cup Final weekend and the climax to the domestic football league season? Irrespective of the Wigan issue this is madness - couldn't these fixtures have been played in June?
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| Quote ="Deano G"Why when the final is months away have the RFL scheduled a round of matches to coincide with FA Cup Final weekend'"
They have?
Had wigan taken a home draw in the last round against top opposition, and BBC decided it should be the Saturday game, what would have been the argument then? "Why have the RFL arranged a cup game on the third to last weekend of the Premier League when Wigan Athletic are at home?"
This "last game of the football season" stuff is irrelevant to everyone except Dave Whelan. It could be ANY premiership weekend and the result would be the same - Wigan playing elsewhere.
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| Quote ="Deano G"Why when the final is months away have the RFL scheduled a round of matches to coincide with FA Cup Final weekend and the climax to the domestic football league season? Irrespective of the Wigan issue this is madness - couldn't these fixtures have been played in June?'"
It is the Jubilee Bank Holiday Weekend on the first weekend of June, then the soccer European Championships start on the 8th June, which will keep BBC Sport busy for a month. Then we have the semi finals of the Cup, then the Olympics start.
There is never going to be a weekend that is completely free of other distractions, so the weekend of a round of Premier League fixtures seems to be the "least congested" for the general population.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"
This "last game of the football season" stuff is irrelevant to everyone except Dave Whelan. It could be ANY premiership weekend and the result would be the same - Wigan playing elsewhere.'"
Not really, moving the latics match would be an option then, but because it's the last game of the season all games are played at the same time.
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| Quote ="inside_man"Not really, moving the latics match would be an option then, but because it's the last game of the season all games are played at the same time.'"
I can hear DW now "We can't move the game forward as it would cut out a vital day's recovery before the crucial game at Blackburn".
Fact is, Latics games will be played at Latics' convenience, Wigan will fit around them and if that isn't possible, they'll be made to play elsewhere.
I can't wait for Latics to go down and see if the balance of power shifts and 2 games can be played Fri/Sat, Sat/Sun or Sun/Mon.
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| Quote ="The Yellow Giraffe"You are completely missing the point.
The BBC do not have to compromise with anybody. They have paid their money and have the right to choose which games they show, and when. It is then the responsibiltiy of each 'home' side to stage that fixture. In this instance, Wigan seemingly can't stage the fixture at the DW.
The only way that the RFL should intervene is to decide the alternative venue. They should not, and in my opinion will not, attempt to co-erce to BBC into changing their scheduling.
What is the point of the BBC paying money to have the choice, if that choice is then taken away because Dave Whelan doesn't want his pitch messing up?? This isn't a Saints fan having a dig at Wigan, I'm just giving you the facts.
Unfortunately this is one of the risks, or potential problems, when renting/leasing/sharing with a Premier League football club. Fortunately, this scenario has only occurred once or twice in the 10+ years you've been away from Central Park.'"
yeh..but like i said...if we refuse to play it on saturday afternoon, using ground unavailability as an excuse, they wont have a game to televise...you'll be watching a repeat of Ben Hur instead
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| Quote ="inside_man"Not really, moving the latics match would be an option then, but because it's the last game of the season all games are played at the same time.'"
Not a chance a Latics game would be moved, and certainly not at such short notice, regardless of this last day of the season element. DW might spin it to make it sound as though that's a factor, but it definitely isn't.
Quote ="wigan pie man"yeh..but like i said...if we refuse to play it on saturday afternoon, using ground unavailability as an excuse, they wont have a game to televise...you'll be watching a repeat of Ben Hur instead'"
I'm pretty sure if we refuse to play, you'll also be watching Saints in the semi finals!
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| Quote ="wigan pie man"yeh..but like i said...if we refuse to play it on saturday afternoon, using ground unavailability as an excuse, they wont have a game to televise...you'll be watching a repeat of Ben Hur instead'"
I can't decide if you are just winding me up or not.
Wigan wont simply refuse to play the game just to prove a point to the BBC/Dave Whelan. To suggest they would is one the most absurd things I have ever heard.
If Wigan can't arrange an alternative venue to the DW, then the RFL will step in and sort it for them. Like it or not, Wigan WILL play where and when they are told, because there is simply no alternative.
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| Announcement imminent that your game will be on Saturday afternoon at the DW, so some agreement must have been made with all parties...
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| Quote ="wigan pie man"yeh..but like i said...if we refuse to play it on saturday afternoon, using ground unavailability as an excuse, they wont have a game to televise...you'll be watching a repeat of Ben Hur instead'"
and then the RFL would be in all sorts of bother due to breach of contract with the BBC, and other sponsors - potentially jeopardising future agreements; and Wigan would be in breach of all sorts of Operational Rules, as well as being a massive source of embarrassment turning up at the DW Stadium on Friday night to play a game in front of no fans with no opponent to play.
Is it really worth it?
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| Quote ="wigan pie man"yeh..but like i said...if we refuse to play it on saturday afternoon, using ground unavailability as an excuse, they wont have a game to televise...you'll be watching a repeat of Ben Hur instead'"
I agree, lets refuse to play, break the contractual agreement with the BBC and withdraw from the Challenge Cup on principle giving Saints a bye into the semi final. That will show em!!!
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| Quote ="Broxy Music"I agree, lets refuse to play, break the contractual agreement with the BBC and withdraw from the Challenge Cup on principle giving Saints a bye into the semi final. That will show em!!!'"
I'm glad it's not just me who thinks he is talking nonsense!!
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| Quote ="A-Fire-Inside"Announcement imminent that your game will be on Saturday afternoon at the DW, so some agreement must have been made with all parties...
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They're only allowing players under 14 stone to play and they have to play in plimsoles.
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| Let's just play at Langtree Park, first team to knock Saints out of the cup on their new ground, sounds good to me
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| Quote ="The Yellow Giraffe"I can't decide if you are just winding me up or not.
Wigan wont simply refuse to play the game just to prove a point to the BBC/Dave Whelan. To suggest they would is one the most absurd things I have ever heard.
If Wigan can't arrange an alternative venue to the DW, then the RFL will step in and sort it for them. Like it or not, Wigan WILL play where and when they are told, because there is simply no alternative.'"
not a wind up mate...i reckon we should make a stand.
alternatively, if we are forced to play at another ground, lets not allow cameras into the changers, and conduct no interviews with the BBC like Fergy and Harry did a few years back.
if they insist on an interview for contractual reason, send the kit man
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| Quote ="A-Fire-Inside"Announcement imminent that your game will be on Saturday afternoon at the DW, so some agreement must have been made with all parties...
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Is this true or a wind up? Would be tremendous news.
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| Quote ="wigan pie man"not a wind up mate...i reckon we should make a stand.
alternatively, if we are forced to play at another ground, lets not allow cameras into the changers, and conduct no interviews with the BBC like Fergy and Harry did a few years back.
if they insist on an interview for contractual reason, send the kit man'"
I know, how dare the BBC expect the match they paid for to be played, the inconsiderate toads.
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