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| I thought Mossop had a very good game last night and really stood out.
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| So based on "Paul Youane"s opinion, Harrisson is a better player than Mossop because of one game Does that make Mossop already a better player than James Graham because of how our pack dominated Saints the other week, does that make McIlorum a better hooker than Roby?
This was a thread about how a great young English prop forward is playing superbly for the current best Super League side and surprise surprise a petty little Wire fan couldnt handle it and came on here with a 'my dads bigger than your dad' argument
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| Mossop could be anything. Tremendous young forward, couldn't rate him any higher.
Why are we comparing him to Westwood? Roll back the clock 7 years and I'd guess Westwood was playing centre not prop forward.
Mossop is miles ahead of where Westwood was 7 years ago as a forward and I have little doubt that in 7 years time he'll be a better forward than Westwood is now.
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| Ben Harrison being compared to Mossop pfffffftttttt!!!!!
Ben Harrison is too soft to play prop, to fat and slow for 2nd row and hasn't got any ball skills that rules him out for 13. You could stick anyone at 13 for Wire and they would do well with their pack.
So what has Harrison got in his armoury? Seriously
Can anyone imagine Harrison scoring the same try as Joel did for England?
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Mossop could be anything. Tremendous young forward, couldn't rate him any higher.
Why are we comparing him to Westwood? Roll back the clock 7 years and I'd guess Westwood was playing centre not prop forward.
Mossop is miles ahead of where Westwood was 7 years ago as a forward and I have little doubt that in 7 years time he'll be a better forward than Westwood is now.'"
I completely agree, but weren't they comparing him to Ben [uHarrison[/u, not Ben Westwood?
Same applies I guess though!
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| Quote ="post"Ben Harrison being compared to Mossop pfffffftttttt!!!!!
Ben Harrison is too soft to play prop, to fat and slow for 2nd row and hasn't got any ball skills that rules him out for 13. You could stick anyone at 13 for Wire and they would do well with their pack.
So what has Harrison got in his armoury? Seriously
Can anyone imagine Harrison scoring the same try as Joel did for England?'"
Game set and match how can I possible debate with such intelligent posters as yourself and Ginger Pearl.
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| The best person who is comparable to Mossop is Peacock in his youth.
Harrison is Warringtons flagship for their junior development setup, he's the best they've got, bless.
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| I think Mossop plays well above his weight.If only he had the build of Andy Platt. He has the potential to be an all time great. Time will tell.
Hansen also did an enormous amount of work last night and some of the tackles must have really hurt the Cas players.
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"Game set and match how can I possible debate with such intelligent posters as yourself and Ginger Pearl.'"
Take the rose tinted glasses off for a sec, there are plenty players for Wire who I think are great players, Ben Harrison isn't one of them. I would rather have Tuson in my team than Harrison.
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| Every thread we have about a Wigan forward always some how end up as 'said forward v harrison'. All I can tell is Harrison is a better prop than mossop, second rower than Joel, faz abd hansen and 13 than lockers. Personally I think Harrison is good, but not great. Mossop is the best young prop for a god few years
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| Quote ="talulah"I completely agree, but weren't they comparing him to Ben [uHarrison[/u, not Ben Westwood?
Same applies I guess though!'"
That's even more daft then, Mossop by miles.
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| Quote ="Ron"His stats aren't that impressive..... we need forwards with a bit of x factor at international level, and he doesn't put in big shots, doesn't offload and doesn't make huge metres, good against average SL teams but nothing special.'"
why do these cretins even bother? go play with traffic
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| Quote ="Bill Sonny"icon_lol.gif
why do these cretins even bother? go play with traffic'"
Translation..... Ihave no stats to back my argument up so i will call you names.
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| Quote ="Ron"His stats aren't that impressive..... we need forwards with a bit of x factor at international level, and he doesn't put in big shots, doesn't offload and doesn't make huge metres, good against average SL teams but nothing special.'"
We don't need forwards with a bit of X-Factor at international level. We have a couple of those in Burgess/Crabtree. We need solid, go forward props who won't take a step back in defence and will punch their weight in attack. Look at Petero, most consistent prop over the last however many years, runs the ball in hard, tackles hard, over and over again.
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| Quote ="Ron"Translation..... Ihave no stats to back my argument up so i will call you names.
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not really
why should the opinion of some daft wire fan, who hasn't seen him in as many games as the rest of us, matter even in the slightest?
he's joint 1st in this forums wigan's player of the season from the 1/2/3's, and will be 1st after the calculations are done for the castleford game... that's in a team that is the best team in the league. nothing more needs to be said
that a good enough argument for you? now as i said, go play with traffic
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| Some ludicrous comments on this thread. Mossop is an immense talent - he's already a top class British player, whether he can make the step up and become truly world class remains to be seen, but he has so much potential and is years away from his physical peak.
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| Mossop's been consistently good during the season in his first year in the position. Imagine what he'll be like when he changes his body shape to that of a prop and has a number of year's experience in the position.
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| Awesome this season and would/should be a shoe-in for the Four Nations......Unfortunately we have Steve McBanana as head coach !
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| Not only is he an amazing talent, the Moose has the potential to be a consistent 80 mins prop. Now thats a thought....
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| Some of the posts by some fans about Harrison have been harsh.
He averages more tackles than Mossop, has made more offloads and has made more tackle breaks. Harrisons work rate is exceptional, he always wins the tackle in defence and is good at slowing the play the ball down. I think Mossop is a slightly better player than Harrison but calling him useless and can't play anywhere is quite simply not true. I'd have Harrison at 13 for England, theres no point in having a ball playing L/F against the Aussies as the only way we can beat them is by having bigger forwards and dominating them. This is what id have.
Graham Roby Mossop
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| Quote ="Ronnie Neale"Some of the posts by some fans about Harrison have been harsh.
He averages more tackles than Mossop, has made more offloads and has made more tackle breaks. Harrisons work rate is exceptional, he always wins the tackle in defence and is good at slowing the play the ball down. I think Mossop is a slightly better player than Harrison but calling him useless and can't play anywhere is quite simply not true. I'd have Harrison at 13 for England, theres no point in having a ball playing L/F against the Aussies as the only way we can beat them is by having bigger forwards and dominating them. This is what id have.
Graham Roby Mossop
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What about O'Loughlin? He is a million times the player Harrison is/will ever be.
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| Quote ="Ronnie Neale"Some of the posts by some fans about Harrison have been harsh.
He averages more tackles than Mossop, has made more offloads and has made more tackle breaks. Harrisons work rate is exceptional, he always wins the tackle in defence and is good at slowing the play the ball down. I think Mossop is a slightly better player than Harrison but calling him useless and can't play anywhere is quite simply not true. I'd have Harrison at 13 for England, theres no point in having a ball playing L/F against the Aussies as the only way we can beat them is by having bigger forwards and dominating them. This is what id have.
Graham Roby Mossop
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Did you watch any of this years' State Of Origin series? There's no way we can dominate an Aussie pack. We can match them certainly but even with a 100% fit set of forwards we won't domionate the likes of Matt Scott, Paul Gallen, Beau Scott and Sam Thaiday. We need to be creative if we're going to have any chance of beating them, which won't happen with McBanana in cahrge but that's another issue altogether
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| creative...., so forwards that can offload would help, rules Mossop out.... maybe Paul Wood should be given a go, has better stats than Mossop this year and has nearly 10 times as many offloads.
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| Quote ="Ron"creative...., so forwards that can offload would help, rules Mossop out.... maybe Paul Wood should be given a go, has better stats than Mossop this year and has nearly 10 times as many offloads.'"
Knowing McNamara, he's more likely to select Rex Mossop and Victoria Wood.
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| Quote ="Ron"creative...., so forwards that can offload would help, rules Mossop out.... maybe Paul Wood should be given a go, has better stats than Mossop this year and has nearly 10 times as many offloads.'"
Just because Mossop doesn't offload playing for Wigan doesn't mean he can't offload. Joel Tomkins, Ryan Hoffman, Paul Prescott, Andy Coley etc etc are all very good offloaders but don't offload much when playing for Wigan. It's just Wigan's style of play.
Stats also mean little when comparing players from two different teams. Different amounts of game time, different hookers, different playing styles in teams, completely different team performances or performances from opposing teams means that stats aren't accurate.
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