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| imo a good move by MM, takes the steam off one bloke. and liek has been said gives that banter between them with regards to win losses and points scored.
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| It has been said for some years that ours is a quiet dressing room with quiet players. Perhaps this is one way of getting the senior players to speak up and provide that leadership and support for the team and its captain.
Will we now have a club captain? Lockers?
My five would be - Lockers, Fielden, Deacon, Gleeson & Bailey.
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| Quote ="wigan pie man"stupid idea imo.
1 captain, 1 v/c, and a pack leader.
you cant go chopping and changing skips every week.
each with different ideas prob?
just cause confusion and disruption imo.'"
Well thats 3 leaders for a starters and he's only naming a group of 5 so he's not far off want you want to see.
A captains role is over-rated imo. Unless you have an absolute beast of a leader like Farrell you need to have more then one man in your side who's willing to roll his sleeves up and show the way.
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| Could be a lot, lot worse for us;
[urlhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/mobile/rugby_league/super_league/hull/8452678.stm[/url
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| Quote ="thepriestman85"Could be a lot, lot worse for us;
[urlhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/mobile/rugby_league/super_league/hull/8452678.stm[/url
Poor Hull'"
looks like he has settled in there. good luck to the pr1ck
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| Quote ="Father Ted"It has been said for some years that ours is a quiet dressing room with quiet players. Perhaps this is one way of getting the senior players to speak up and provide that leadership and support for the team and its captain.
Will we now have a club captain? Lockers?
My five would be - Lockers, Fielden, Deacon, Gleeson & Bailey.'"
I agree with the choice above and the point you make regarding a quiet dressing room.
It is something innovative and new that I am looking forward to seeing how it works. TBH on the field (if anyone pays attention) many players chip in when they're behind the posts. Most noticeably Riddell and Bailey. Fielden always seems to be one of the players constantly talking as well. We all know Gleeson has captained England before (not sure about Wire). Deacon obviously being the Bradford captain for a number of years. Although having said this is something new I think it is common in every Super League team to have numerous senior players chunnering away behind the sticks and in the dressing room. At Leeds you have to imagine Jamie Peacock and Keith Senior have their say, but are never named as captains. I think all we have done is make it official that those type of players have that role.
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| I don't like it, obviously senior players will provide valuable experience and take weight off a captains shoulders but IMO you still need an official leader. It's a gimic that won't last.
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| Who will lift the cup at Wembley/Old Trafford?
Me, me, it's my turn, gerroff.
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| Great idea let the new coaches decide what they want even lockers thinks it is great for the club love it.
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| Quote ="proper-shaped-balls"Who will lift the cup at Wembley/Old Trafford?
Me, me, it's my turn, gerroff.
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The Person who is named captain for the day!
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| If you were a young player would you take a captain seriously if you knew he wouldn't be captain next week? Having 5 captains will feel more like having no captain IMO
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| Quote ="Grimmy"If you were a young player would you take a captain seriously if you knew he wouldn't be captain next week? Having 5 captains will feel more like having no captain IMO'" if i were a young player yes course i would take any of the senior players seriously
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| It could end up a bit like The Apprentice after a defeat.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"If you were a young player would you take a captain seriously if you knew he wouldn't be captain next week? Having 5 captains will feel more like having no captain IMO'"
So your saying young players like Mossop,Farrell only take the captain seriously ? And not players like carmont and bailey
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Well thats 3 leaders for a starters and he's only naming a group of 5 so he's not far off want you want to see.
A captains role is over-rated imo. Unless you have an absolute beast of a leader like Farrell you need to have more then one man in your side who's willing to roll his sleeves up and show the way.'"
its not 3 leaders...its 2 at most.
1 skip whos job it is to enforce the coaches game plan, and lead by example.
a vice skip just in case he has to leave the field.
and a pack leader, or enforcer if you like (summat weve all been crying out for for ages.
fielden was brought in for that role, but hes not up to it these days.
gaz hock would have made a good one, but im looking at Joel tomkins as a future pack leader.
Somebody who isnt scared to get stuck in when a thug takes out our players.
ok..so most of the time last year he was looking after his kid brother, but hes well suited to the role.
few years time.........Greg Burke maybe from what ive heard of him from my lads.
these extra 4 "captains" should be passing their knowledge on to the younger players anyway, without the extra title.
anyone ever heard of a puffball team with more than 1 captain?
thought not.
take chelski...terry skip..but who does it all to make the team tick? Lampard.
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| Quote ="wigan pie man"
take chelski...terry skip..but who does it all to make the team tick? Lampard.'"
Does that not give some weight to Maguire naming a team of leaders instead of one though?
Why should one guy have the weight of leadership on his shoulders and take the flak that comes with that especially given that we don't have a leader in the mould of an Andy Farrell.
This way shares the responsibility around and and offers the opportunity to a number of players to lead the side. It'll hopefully keep guys motivated both in the group to get the armband and from outside of that group to try and get into it when a position becomes available.
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| Quote ="wigan_knight"So your saying young players like Mossop,Farrell only take the captain seriously ? And not players like carmont and bailey'"
No but I think it will confuse matters a lot, they will pick and choose which senior players they respect but everyone has to listen to the captain.
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| I'm not sure about this - makes sense off the field to share the duties around, but it seems a confused approach to leadership on the field, seems like MM wants a more vocal leader but couldn't make the likely unpopular decision and ditch Lockers completely from the role.
The reason why you have a single leader in the first place is to have a clear direction for the team - what if senior players develop different ideas and agendas? The captain is the on field coach and this appears a disaster waiting to happen. Hope I'm wrong.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"No but I think it will confuse matters a lot, they will pick and choose which senior players they respect but everyone has to listen to the captain.'"
No they won't!
You and others are building up the captaincy job into something that you want it 2 be not what it actually is. It's just a role five can do as well as one as it doesn't involve doing anything different 2 what other senior players already do.
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| Quote ="thepriestman85"No they won't!
You and others are building up the captaincy job into something that you want it 2 be not what it actually is. It's just a role five can do as well as one as it doesn't involve doing anything different 2 what other senior players already do.'"
I can't think of any other group that works that way. Teams need a leader.
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| The five chosen by the squad of 30 ish is Lockers, Carmont, Coley,Tommy and Bailey. Feilden would never be chosen in a million years.
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| I'm taking this to mean Maguire has decided there isn't anyone in the team with the necessary leadership skills required to do the job on their own. How depressing.
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"I'm taking this to mean Maguire has decided there isn't anyone in the team with the necessary leadership skills required to do the job on their own. How depressing.'"
My thoughts on it also.
That being said, anything that will help us improve has to be welcomed.
It depends which way you look at it, it is either a creative way of taking the captaincy from Lockers or a modern thinking masterstroke.
Everything Maguire has done so far seems positive, so I will give this a go before deciding what I think of it.
It certainly isn't worth getting in a fit over.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"No but I think it will confuse matters a lot, they will pick and choose which senior players they respect but everyone has to listen to the captain.'"
Give over! There's going to be no room for players who want to pick and choose who they respect in the club. IMO it's a good idea and it could prove to be trend-setting, that is The Wigan Way.
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| They should know what to do when they get on the pitch. People with experience step up if they're captain or not when needed.
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