Yes as you are calling IL a liar for some reason?

Thanks for proving the point many of us put forward a few weeks ago.

If Noble was not staying he should of been told and it should of been announced weeks/months ago. I remember this argument and as always Cruncher and his band of happy clappers said IL would of looked like a prat etc. etc.

The new coach should have been sorted out ages ago so he had the chance to have a say in any new players or any current players off contract. If the new coach would not commit to Wigan until the last minute then that does not mean IL should automatically just go out and sign any old players and hope the new coach is happy with them eg. Sean Long

Can you show me where i called IL a liar please. Feel free to quote me otherwise button it.

Why do people have to be in one camp or the other? Can you not like someone but criticise some of the things they do? I liked Noble but didn't always agree with everything he did.

I'm not overly excited about signing Maguire but can understand why some people are. Personally I'll take the approach that I do when we sign NRL players and wait and see for myself. We were told Riddell and Roberts would be superstars by the NRL experts on here but although they've been decent(ish) they've hardly set the world alight.

Not if its IL.

Any criticism of IL will result in Cruncher spitting his dummy into next week!

Easy…..



You’re saying IL says one thing to and does another hence him being liar.

So what is it you wanted IL to do? Sack Noble mid season? Are you saying you would have been happy for this to happen? Or was it a case of saying the only part of the season that matters is the final part and Noble should have been given time as we were going to win the GF?

Well IL left it till the last moment like you asked for and now your slating him for it.

Get a grip man Noble has gone so stop trying to twist and undermine everything IL says or does.

Please show me where i call IL a liar.

Like i say,show me the proof or button it.

Now the dust has settled and Noble's future made public I am more convinced then ever this has been handled the wrong way. Ever since the Kearney rumour it has been one huge distraction who was going to be coach for Wigan in 2010.

The way it should have been done was either

Sack Noble and appoint Wane caretaker about half way through the season

Or

Make it public Noble was not going to get a new deal but he had the full support of the board and the club was right behind him for the remainder of his contract.

The idea you can keep silent and let a coaches contract run it's course when you are not going to give him a new deal has IMO been blown out of the water by this saga.

It doesn't look professional and it is just simply unfair. And before anyone says Noble was off looking for jobs anyway that is irrelevant IMO. He was in the last year of his deal so was quite entitled to do so given the lack of response from Wigan.



I agree the issue should have been sorted a while back but I don't know how realistic it is to expect the new coach who will still be working for his current club to be concerning himself with recruitment for his new employer.

When Nobby arrived people often made the excuse when things were not going right that "it was not his team". Well of course it wasn't and its inevitable a new coach inherits a team. He is being employed to make that team better. That is why Noble got the job in the first place over Millward.

So the new coach this time around will be in the same position as any other new coach at a club. He will be presented with a squad of players already on contract and told to go away and coach them.

Dave

I too don't think it was handled in the best possible way. But I'm in no way convinced that Noble only found out last week. I, like a few on here, was told this a couple of months ago.

One of the reasons that it perhaps wasn't public knowledge was due to the fact that we weren't 100% sure that the guy coming could get a visa. If it was announced that Noble was leaving and no one was ready to take the step up, it would have made us look unprofessional. If we then said we're after Maguire but we're waiting for a visa, visa denied and Wane gets the job. Everyone knows that Wane isn't IL's first choice and he won't have everyone's backing.

It's a tricky situation to manage and one that I'm ultimately not too bothered about as long as the outcome is we get a coach who's ready to take us to some finals.

I just did you clown.

You say IL says one thing to everyone and does another behind the scenes!!

Are you being this slow on purpose?

If that is the case and I have no reason to disbelieve you, then they are both liars. BN said he was only told last week and IL said he only made his final decision 3 or 4 weeks ago.

The whole air of mystery surrounding this is strange. Like I said, I was told this a while ago and a few on here said the same. You'd think that Nobby and IL would at least get their stories straight.



It could also be that the final decision was only made a couple of weeks back and I was just told one of the many rumours taht turn out to be unfounded. Remember the one a couple of months ago that said Nobby had been sacked? Loads of people were on to that one.

Maybe they both had a slip of the tongue and were meant to say month/months

That's the whole point though - They don't want to.

You have Nobby saying that he sat down with Lenagan and "agreed" that it is time for a change at Wigan (effectively resigning).

Then you have Lenagan saying that he has decided not to renew Nobby's contract (effectively sacking him).

Both men want to come out of this with Noble's leaving being their own decision.

At the end of the day - it doesn't matter. We now have a new coach on his way, and will find out who it is on Wednesday.

If Nobby wants to unveil himself as the new Celtic coach before then, good luck to him.

I wish Brian well in his future career (although not any time he may face us), and can't wait to find out who gets to take this team to the next level.

I for one think that Nobby took this team about as far he is capable of doing. I really don't see how he could do much more, without spending a year or 2 in Oz to get some fresh coaching/tactical ideas.

It's just a case of staleness, I think.

The king is dead...... Long live the king
*prays for King Michael the 1st*

I read that as being mutual consent not to renew his contract. Whichever way it's portrayed it can't be portrayed as a sacking as he didn't have a contract which needed terminating.

Yeah, you're right ...

"Excuse me, Mike, can you just take time off preparing your team for the NRL Grand Final, to pop over to the UK and cast your eye over this possible new recruit for next season? It should only take a couple of weeks. I know you haven't got confirmation of your visa yet, but that's not a major problem is it? I asked RHJ, and he couldn't even tell me what a visa is, so it surely can't matter very much."

By the way, in case you hadn't noticed, he DIDN'T sign Sean Long.

Listen idiot. I call you idiot because you obviously are an idiot.

I have never stated IL is a liar nor have i stated he says one thing to everyone and does another behind the scenes.

Now as i said,show me the proof or button it.

So again you didn't say IL says one thing and then does another?

If that wasn’t what your stupid metaphor was all about then please do tell us what you meant.

Or is it you just look like a fool twice in two days?

Again are you intentionally this slow?

Why would he have to pop over to the UK? Please tell me i am begging you!

Why is it so hard for you to comprehend that IL could of consulted him on any possible signings over the phone?

And no he didnt sign Sean Long but he held talks with him and Sean Long turned him down! Is that also too hard for you to understand?

Ill tell you why he didnt consult the new coach shall i?

Because he didnt even know who the new coach was! IL went out to sign Sean Long of his own accord and Long turned him down and that is the end of the matter.

No, that's what you prefer to believe. But I can't really fault you there. You, being the one who knew Ian Lenagan was a bad un the first time you saw him, obviously have a much deeper insight into these basic human truths.



Just out of interest, do you actually know what a visa application involves? And how long it sometimes takes?

Do you even know what a visa is?

Have you ever tried to rush a government department on anything?

Do you even know what a government department is?





Now I'll give you a real truth - you are absolutely cakking yourself that Wigan may appoint Michael McGuire, because it will make your long and boring stand against the chairman seem that little bit more ridiculous.

No i didnt. If i did please quote me on that exact wording or zip up!



I meant just because IL said one thing to you lot at a meeting does not mean he has to stick to it. Wether or not he does decide on who to sign is anybody guess but because IL once told some fans at a meeting that he does not sign the players does not mean we should all sit here and believe it as 100% truth and nor should we think it is an 100% lie. The fact he tried to sign Sean Long and he didnt have a clue who the coach was going to be says that his statement about him not signing players has a question mark hanging over it!

Have i spelled it out easy enough for you this time?

Surely people aren't that suprised Leneghan talked to Long? The new coach now has a much smaller pool of available players to talk too than Leneghan has throughout the season, so he's bound to be keeping an eye out. I'd have been annoyed if I'd found out Leneghan had not talked to any possible signing until Wednesday and in doing so missed out on the ideal player.

The new coach will still be able to make his mark on the personel by his choice of coaching staff, whether he renews Carmont and Bailey's contracts and whether he makes a signing or two. I'd give Carmont another year look for a cheapish half back who can create and kick well. To be honest Long might not have been a bad option, although two years would have been a bit much. If we can get such a player then sign him and let Bailey go, otherwise give Bailey another year too.

Why should i not prefer to believe IL did not know who the coach was going to be?

After all it is there in black and white that Sean Long turned IL down because Wigan didnt know who was going to be coaching them!

Your really not very bright are you Cruncher. Its like taking candy off a baby arguing with you. All your arguments are based on what 'you' think is right rather the the facts that are present.

Perfectly…………



Reads to me like your saying he says one thing to a group of people to keep them happy and then and goes and does the other thing.

No need to carry this any further.

Maybe he does,maybe he doesnt?



I should think so,since you have failed to show me where i said IL was a liar which was your original statement.