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| Quote ="saints35 bulls0"icon_lol.gif ok then, I admit it is very possible that Mick Potter is sat awake at night worrying about Ainscough and then released a short statement about it. Possible, but not likely.'"
He may have cracked and done a Rafa!
Plus, seeing as your the greatest supa dooperest team in the world theres ever been, surely you won't need to resort to 5 drives & a Kick to beat us?!
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| Quote ="Jukesays"He may have cracked and done a Rafa!
Plus, seeing as your the greatest supa dooperest team in the world theres ever been, surely you won't need to resort to 5 drives & a Kick to beat us?!
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I am expecting a feast of champagne rugby.
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| Quote ="shooter69"shaun can catch balls he caught a belter at wakey then ran 20 yards he s caught loads of hard kicks'"
He also got walked all over for one of their tries. He completly misjudged a kick and blanch leapt over him to score. Blanch isn't considered a great catcher and Gardner is.
So there are two sides to it tbf
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| Quote ="Batesy"He also got walked all over for one of their tries. He completly misjudged a kick and blanch leapt over him to score. Blanch isn't considered a great catcher and Gardner is.
So there are two sides to it tbf'"
Gardner used to get pilloried for being poor under kicks - shows what a good attitude and hard work can do for your game.
Ainscough will be just fine I'm sure.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Gardner used to get pilloried for being poor under kicks - shows what a good attitude and hard work can do for your game.
Ainscough will be just fine I'm sure.'"
Of course he will, he's from Wigan
I'm not concerned for the future, no doubt he will sort it, but it will take more than a week to go from being outjumped, to outjumping Gardner imo.
Still, gota play him for me
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| Quote ="{Hogan}"Tactics or not, is Saints play the way they did against Bradford, Wigan will win the game.'"
Tactics or not, if Wigan play the way they did in 90% of their games in the last 4 years, Saints will win the game.
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| looking at boots and all now and it looks like the way ainscough is getting caught out is when he is being sucked in in defence. If I was noble I would tell him to hog the touchline in defence, when it comes to the last two tackles. This will give him that extra split second to take the ball.
As people have already said, ainscough can take a high ball its just the odd defensive blip which he needs to cut out. He does not deserve to be dropped for a blip, noble should have him working on soulutions in training which I am sure he is.
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| Quote ="Newton-Le-willows-Warrior"looking at boots and all now and it looks like the way ainscough is getting caught out is when he is being sucked in in defence. If I was noble I would tell him to hog the touchline in defence, when it comes to the last two tackles. This will give him that extra split second to take the ball.
As people have already said, ainscough can take a high ball its just the odd defensive blip which he needs to cut out. He does not deserve to be dropped for a blip, noble should have him working on soulutions in training which I am sure he is.'"
It would be great if he could get some advice from Jason Robinson for training, Jason was not the biggest player but never really struggled under the high ball.
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| Quote ="odemwingie"It would be great if he could get some advice from Jason Robinson for training, Jason was not the biggest player but never really struggled under the high ball.'"
It would be great if he could get some advice from the worlds best under a high ball.....and we just happen to have him at our club. 2h with rads this week would rke ainny a different player under the high ball.
Just hope nobby doesnt drop him......that is clearly what potter wants or why else make the statement. Potter is running scared that ainny will show his established stars up again, so he tries to grow the seed in nobbys brain that ainscough cant defend!! Hopefully noble isnt stupid enough to fall for it.....but then this is Brian Noble we're talking about
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| Quote ="proper-shaped-balls"
Your right on the second point but if a team wins by say 20 points when is it scored then?'"
What's that got to do with us being worried about Ainscough then?
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| Quote ="Billinge_Lump"What's that got to do with us being worried about Ainscough then?'"
Nothing. Just thought you might know.
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| Quote ="SiY"If anything, Potter may play a completely different tactic now this has come to light. Who knows??
I think Shaun has shown enough guts that any high balls sent his way he'll challenge for 100%.
Btw, is the magic weekend on BBC or is it sky??'"
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| Quote ="odemwingie"It would be great if he could get some advice from Jason Robinson for training, Jason was not the biggest player but never really struggled under the high ball.'"
Wembley v Sheffield?
John Kear kicked him to death.
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| Quote ="odemwingie"It would be great if he could get some advice from Jason Robinson for training, Jason was not the biggest player but never really struggled under the high ball.'"
He certainly did struggle with teams who picked him out
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| Will Noble shock us all and put him at fullback with Pat on the wing I hope not, I’m sure the coaching staff have been training Shaun for pressure under the highball at kick off and in play. As for Ade the Aussies must have been wetting themselves when we had him to offer in the world cup doesn’t work to well without Gidley does he.
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| Ainscough can take a high kick (see the Danny Brough kick in the highlights as an example).
I really wish our coach would come and back Ainscough up "bring it on" or "he can handle any pressure" but he has already come out and criticised Ainscough after that four try defeat so he would be contradicting himself.
I would have been/will be shocked if Ainscough didn't get a lot of kicks his way anyway. He is an easy target, he's young, not that tall and has made a few errors previously under high kicks so to me it seems an obvious thing to do. Hardly requires any deep thinking into it really so I'm not that concerned.
We should target Meli all day long. Richards v Meli he has no chance.
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| Quote ="cadoo"Ainscough can take a high kick (see the Danny Brough kick in the highlights as an example).
I really wish our coach would come and back Ainscough up "bring it on" or "he can handle any pressure" but he has already come out and criticised Ainscough after that four try defeat so he would be contradicting himself.
I would have been/will be shocked if Ainscough didn't get a lot of kicks his way anyway. He is an easy target, he's young, not that tall and has made a few errors previously under high kicks so to me it seems an obvious thing to do. Hardly requires any deep thinking into it really so I'm not that concerned.
We should target Meli all day long. Richards v Meli he has no chance.'"
It surely won't take rocket scienece for a superleague coach and ex international and grand final winning coach to come up with a plan of protecting Ainscough abit more!
I'd basically just swap him and his centre around on the last play if it's coming down his side and tell Ainscough to get in a position where he can sweep up any lose ball if anybody loses/parries it.
Theres other things they could do if needs be.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"I'd basically just swap him and his centre around on the last play if it's coming down his side and tell Ainscough to get in a position where he can sweep up any lose ball if anybody loses/parries it.'"
We'd have Gidley running through him all day on the 5th if that happened IMO.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"We'd have Gidley running through him all day on the 5th if that happened IMO.'"
Thats the downside to the plan and why i'm not a superleague coach
I think at the end of the day maybe they just have to trust him to play on his wing and defend the kicks that come his way but the one thing the team has to do is not leave him as isolated as he's been a times so far when dealing with these kicks.
The space between him and his centre for the 2 kicks on Sunday was criminal.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Thats the downside to the plan and why i'm not a superleague coach
I think at the end of the day maybe they just have to trust him to play on his wing and defend the kicks that come his way but the one thing the team has to do is not leave him as isolated as he's been a times so far when dealing with these kicks.
The space between him and his centre for the 2 kicks on Sunday was criminal.'"
Admittedly I haven't seen much of him except against saints and on TV, but all this kick stuff sounds like a storm in a teacup.
He's a young player and will make mistakes and learn from them. It was ever thus.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Wembley v Sheffield?
John Kear kicked him to death.'"
Rah rah World Cup final as well even though they did go on to win it.
Remembering having a mare at Cas once when he was selected at Fullback under the high ball. I think Robinson was a bit lucky that he did not get tested more, I would also say that his ability under the high ball did improve when he went to Union, but it certainly has to, and i would also like to add the more distance we can put between Ainscough and Robinson the better given his current job!
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Admittedly I haven't seen much of him except against saints and on TV, but all this kick stuff sounds like a storm in a teacup.
He's a young player and will make mistakes and learn from them. It was ever thus.'"
It's not been that bad to be fair.
Alot of trys are scored from high kicks to the corners so the wingers always going to be in the line of fire and plenty of other wingers have been outjumped for trys this year so far.
It's because Ainscoughs just making his way in the game that people pick up on these and again fair enough.
It might help the lad though if his own coach would stop babbling on about his weaknesses to anybody that will listen.
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| Quote ="jonh"Rah rah World Cup final as well even though they did go on to win it.
Remembering having a mare at Cas once when he was selected at Fullback under the high ball. I think Robinson was a bit lucky that he did not get tested more, I would also say that his ability under the high ball did improve when he went to Union, but it certainly has to, and i would also like to add the more distance we can put between Ainscough and Robinson the better given his current job!'"
The problem in kicking to robinson, was if he caught it you where in trouble as we all remember how devastating he was in attack. So why he may have the odd mare, he could ruin your day if you were a team and he caught it.
Let SA take the kicks, he will have to get used to it as it will happen more and more, and he a good match up from gardners point of view.
However tactics may change if he picks a few up and makes good easy yards.
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