I rate Farrell and Bateman but together equals too small.
The last time I felt like this was one with Noble on a seasons opener against Wakefield when I thought I'd never see a team so inept again.
I probably will end going to a game or two next season knowing me! Its just the sadist in me!


Believe it or not despite my pontificating and downbeat posts I'm usually a glass half full man so the recent run is so wretched that IL must act because if he doesn't his investment in the club will be truely up the Swanee and I just can't see him letting this go on as it is.
The clear out we need are the lap top guys and the utterly useless fitness team for starters! Let the players play and throw the damn whiteboard tactics out with them at least then we might get a bit of excitement even if it means we are not good enough.

I have been watching a few Aussie games and must admit I love watching the Tigers even with their foibles. By the time our players have tried to milk a free at the play the ball the Tigers would have made 20 yards and have several options open with simple but great see back back up and an intent to break the opposition line. Thanks for your tip a few months ago on the Tigers they really are a breath of fresh air.

Can we sign Mitchell Moses , Luke brooks & James Tedesco please

Tedesco is the one for me but if they insisted I would also take Brooks!
Proper players with pace, fitness and fantastic ability.
Aussies don't own those but our guys seem to have lost it for some reason.

Yeah, those three are a pleasure to watch, aren't they? And after all, Brooks and Moses especially, as halves, are still learning their trade. Funnily enough, from I can gather, Tigers fans really slate their coach, but at least he hasn't coached all the natural skill out of his young players.

Watched Hull tonight and couldn't help thinking how good it would be to have Leon Pryce in our team! That really is his bad it has got!

Pryce runs direct and takes his team forward he runs at the line and takes players with him.

Obviously Pryce isn't the answer, but we are desperate for a genuine partnership that complement each other in the halves.

We have 2 traditional scrum halves who go East to West on a field. We need a North South half that drags this team forward.

Excellent choice of words and sort of sums up my attitude for the past couple of seasons.

Wane gambled last night, and he lost big time. The sooner he goes, the better.

I want Wane gone just as much as anyone and have done since 13, but sweeping statements like the one you've quoted are laughable.

It's the same BS people shouted at the end of Nobles time as head coach. Fans used to say that we needed a new team when in reality all it took was a new 7 and a proper coach.

I'm a firm believer that our current side has ample talent, but we've just not seen it due to Wane. You bring in a hungry Aus coach + Tommy it's 2010 again and we are top dogs.

We will have to agree to disagree.
We have poor players with poor abilities.
You can argue that's poor coaching but players with basic abilities don't need coaching.

I think it's more to do with the frustration over the quality of players we've been recruiting/retaining. If i remember correctly, I think Noble had a much better group of players to pick from (and I was never in the camp that thought we needed wholesale changes back then). I'm afraid I just don't think a lot of our lot are up to it.

How did he gamble?

Not taking the two on offer at the end of the match which would have guaranteed a spot in the semi-finals.
Stupid beyond belief.

The Raiders are the best rugby side in the world to watch, hands down and they have 2 brits dominating every match. If we could poach a coach I would fly straight over to Canberra with a suitcase full of money.

It's all if and and's now, but i'm sure Wane would have been slated if he had taken the two.... Just saying...



We were bloody awful BTW..

Who would have slated them? They only scored 1 try in the WHOLE match, they couldn't score against 12, they couldn't score against 11 who watching (apart from Wane) thought they could score in the last few minutes?

They were pathetic misrepresentations of rugby players and coaches, and have been for 2-3 seasons. Without coaching changes, next season we will be playing in the qualifiers with crowds of 5k

It wasn't just the penalties with a minute to go. We could have won by 6-8 clear points had we taken the points when they were on offer following the Farrell try.

I believe that had we nudged in front by two then Widnes would have collapsed.

Ryan Sutton dropped it short, Widnes were, possibly, offside at their kick, and also scored off a forward pass. They weren't great in attack either, but they defended well.

It's all Stephan Marsh's fault! His chase back and tackle on Sutton to knock the ball out was superb! No Wigan player has the heart or desire to do what Marsh did.

Another ex-Wiganer with a point to prove....

Yeah, they play some great footy, and JH is at the heart of everything they do. And Whitehead, now he's found his feet, is playing really well too.

It's all cold comfort to Wigan fans, though.

I suspect that the uninspiring performances this season will be the straw that breaks the camel's back for many ST holders and casual fans. The average attendance has been on the way down for the past 4 years, and the only thing keeping it above last seasons figure is our 15th home game being played at the DW rather than 200 miles away.

If there is no change in the coaching structure and we start 2017 in the same way as we have played throughout 2016, then I fully expect to see the first sub-10,000 crowd for a regular season league fixture at the DW for over 10 years.

I watched the Storm v Sharks this morning. Very enjoyable.
I think the thing I enjoy the most about the Aussie is that there is no ing about at the play the ball. Players don't look for free kicks every time they get tackled whereas in our game every team has a JC impersonator at every tackle.
Might just sign up for the play offs.

Haven't seen the Sharks game yet. They sure recruited well for this season. I am a big fan of Maloney, I think he is a top, top half, always liked him at the Warriors. Brave, skillful, and a terrific goal-kicker to boot! It looks like they really be going places this year.

I'm saying all that not knowing the result. Fortunately NRL results are easy enough to avoid in the UK!

I won't spoil it for you then but there was a nice touch from Blake Green. It just made me realise what a decent player we had and how much we need someone like him.

I've seen it now! I was going to remark how Green put in another typically solid display, showing he's very comfortable playing at the highest levels of the NRL. Sadly, Maloney, and his team, didn't have the happiest of days! Still a good contest, though I find the Storm easier to admire than like.

Isn't Blake Green off to Manly next year? I wonder why he can't seem to settle at a club for long.