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| Quote ="MadDogg"It looks OK but listing them like you have highlights for me how we are significantly weaker than last season.
Losing Hoffman, Tomkins and Coley as pack options leaves us lacking in depth once again. The same for the halves and hooker now that Deacon's gone - we're in trouble if Leuluai or Finch get injured.
Bottom line is we needed to have some established quality lined up to replace the departures. Having faith in academy players is great but if Lenagan and Wane don't believe we'll be taking a step backwards next year on the back these changes in personnel, they'll turn out to be mistaken in my opinion.'"
Last season I felt we were short sighted in not giving debuts to Mellor, Powell or Logan. A steep learning curve is on the way for one of them this season as surely one or more of them will have to be called upon. I just hope the limited national league and reserve experience they have had has prepared them for some super league game time.
I'm also wondering if we simply haven't signed a centre or a half. Otherwise why not announce the signing at the same time as this one? Surely we aren't planning on playing Roberts at 1, Goulding at 3 and Sam at 6 all season when Roberts has been in such terrible form and Goulding has only really excelled on the wing?
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| Quote ="Dave26"Interesting point:
[iWigan Warriors Facebook Fan Page wrote:Interesting fact regarding the penalties; Epalahame Lauaki conceded 13 penalties for Hull FC last season, compared to 13 by Andy Coley and 14 by Jeff Lima who both made fewer appearances.[/i
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Talk about selective reading. On just about every other statistic Coley is better than Lauaki and by some distance. Coley averaged more meters, more carries and is better in just about every stat bar tackle busts. In particular Coley made 521 tackles in 22 games v 310 in 26 for Lauaki. Coley also made 87 marker tackles compared to 42 for Lauaki.
No wonder the Hull fans don't rate his defence.
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| Everyone thinkes hes crap so he has got nothing to lose for a kick off. Theres no way he can be worse than O Carroll over the last few years because he has hardly been fit so at worst its a slight improvement actually having another option in the pack.
FWIW im not inspired by this signing but i can see why weve got him. He aint gonna be on mega money either.
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| Not sure about this one tbh. Theres no doubt he has got potential but I think it will be difficult for wane to bring it out. Whenever i've watched him in the past i always thought he was a bit of a dirty player tbh and not someone i would have imagined us signing. I really hope he proves me wrong but im a bit dissapointed that we've let go of such a hard working young player in o'carroll to bring this guy in.
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| Can't say I'm excited by it but he's a Wigan player now so I'll back him.
Hopefully a good pre season under bitcon will have us all eating our words next year and this lad will become a favourite. He did have a very good start to his Hull career so hopefully he's found some hunger.
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| Very disappointing signing if I'm honest, lacks ambition and trust in our youth set up hopefully I'm proved wrong.
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| Huge step down from Hoffman.... very surprised at the 3 year contract as well.
Risky signing.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"Huge step down from Hoffman.... very surprised at the 3 year contract as well.
Risky signing.'"
to be fair, theres no-one currently available or has been signed already by any club in SL who could match Hoffman
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| Quote ="DaveO"Talk about selective reading. On just about every other statistic Coley is better than Lauaki and by some distance. Coley averaged more meters, more carries and is better in just about every stat bar tackle busts. In particular Coley made 521 tackles in 22 games v 310 in 26 for Lauaki. Coley also made 87 marker tackles compared to 42 for Lauaki.
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Lauaki - Poor side, poor coach
Coley - Top 2 side, Micheal Maguire.
Bitcon will work wonders on this guy, worry not.
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| Quote ="[Gareth"to be fair, theres no-one currently available or has been signed already by any club in SL who could match Hoffman'"
Surprised that you have signed someone who seems to play short stints as an impact player.... Hoffman was the total opposite..... I thought Hoffman's first team place would go to Joel Tomkins..... But that doesn't appear to be the case now.
I imagine he was probably quite cheap though..... so maybe a risk worth taking.
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| We needed more options in the pack, particularly attacking options. We were left with Hansen, Farrell, Hock and Tuson to choose from in the back row and there's only Hock who offers any physicality in attack. Hansen, Farrell and Tuson make for some pretty lightweight back row options so some extra size was a must and a bit more aggression shouldn't go amiss either.
The biggest worry is his laziness in defence. Madge wouldn't have made a signing like this that's for sure, obviously Wane thinks he can improve Lauaki's defence because it needs to improve massively.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"Surprised that you have signed someone who seems to play short stints as an impact player.... Hoffman was the total opposite..... I thought Hoffman's first team place would go to Joel Tomkins..... But that doesn't appear to be the case now.
I imagine he was probably quite cheap though..... so maybe a risk worth taking.'"
Hoffman was a freakish signing and would of never left the storm if that salary cap trouble hadnt of happened.So it would be really hard to sign any 1 anywhere nr Hoffmans standards ,
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| Quote ="Father Ted"Hull fans have been wanting rid of their fitness man and coach for years and now they have their wish.
Lauaki like all at Hull has underperformed there.
A new start for him.
He will be going into the pre season schedule and we will have to see how he turns out. I do think he will be better for us than he was for Hull.'"
Thats rubbish, plenty of players have played well and improved under Agar, you only have to look at Sam Moa.
I honestly can't believe you have signed him never mind giving him a 3 year deal.
The 2nd worst import I have seen at Hull since we have been at the KC.
His weight and fitness isn't a problem, he has no heart and doesn't run his weight, very, very poor defender. Discipline on paper isn't bad but he is prone to giving away daft penalties, such as when he has the ball.
Wigan and Wane will really have there work cut out to get their moneys worth.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Thats rubbish, plenty of players have played well and improved under Agar, you only have to look at Sam Moa.
I honestly can't believe you have signed him never mind giving him a 3 year deal.
The 2nd worst import I have seen at Hull since we have been at the KC.
His weight and fitness isn't a problem, he has no heart and doesn't run his weight, very, very poor defender. Discipline on paper isn't bad but he is prone to giving away daft penalties, such as when he has the ball.
Wigan and Wane will really have there work cut out to get their moneys worth'"
We don't know what their money's worth is though. Can't see Lauaki being on a massive wedge of our cap
I'm not as disappointed as some on here with this signing. Our pack needed bolstering and although I'm happy to hear that Wane and Leneghan want to use the academy to back up the first team more regularly I wouldn't want us to be totally reliant on it, especially up front, where experience is probably more important
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| Quote ="21-12"Lauaki - Poor side, poor coach
Coley - Top 2 side, Micheal Maguire.
Bitcon will work wonders on this guy, worry not.'"
He is going to have to. He has played 51 SL games and made 613 tackles. An average of 12 per game
EDIT: And Coley was putting in the same number of tackles under Noble in 2009 as he was under Madge.
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| Quote ="DaveO"He is going to have to. He has played 51 SL games and made 613 tackles. An average of 12 per game
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EDIT: And Coley was putting in the same number of tackles under Noble in 2009 as he was under Madge.'"
I trust our coaching staff and Ian Lenegan. There will be reasons why we have signed him, there is obviously huge potential, with the youngsters we have coming through in the pack the club must see him as a big player for us next season.
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| Just what we need - a forward version of Karl Pryce, but with a bit less heart.
WANE OUT!
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| Quote ="Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy"Just what we need - a forward version of Karl Pryce, but with a bit less heart.
WANE OUT!'"
I'm pretty sure that's impossible.
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| Quote ="Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy"Just what we need - a forward version of Karl Pryce, but with a bit less heart.
WANE OUT!'"
Get the kids in
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| Quote ="LovesToSpooge"He must save his most ill-disciplined performances for the TV game you, I and everyone else watches.
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It's no good comparing number of games played without comparing minutes on the pitch.After ten minutes he's blowing for a tug
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| Quote ="Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy"Just what we need - a forward version of Karl Pryce, but with a bit less heart.
WANE OUT!'"
If hes got less heart than Karl Pryce i wouldve checked for a pulse before we signed him ![Shocked icon_eek.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_eek.gif) .
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| Quote ="DaveO"He is going to have to. He has played 51 SL games and made 613 tackles. An average of 12 per game
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EDIT: And Coley was putting in the same number of tackles under Noble in 2009 as he was under Madge.'"
And was doing it at Salford prior to coming here. He'd impressed at a "smaller" club and was rewarded with a move to a "bigger" club. We are taking a punt on Lauaki which is something I dont think we should ever have to do.
I hope I'm proved wrong but I really dont understand this signing!
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| The main problem I have with him in relation to penalties is the ones he gives away are just daft. There is no such thing as a good penalty but when I have seen him pinged it has been for a pointless lazy flop or daft swinging arm. Brain dead coach killing errors.
He is a project in what has been a flat market, will not cost the earth and has massive potential. Could become a massive crowd favourite and strike running backrow, where we need more threat in my opinion.
Could be a total goose.
His future and success is in his hands.
Welcome to Wigan.
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| If you remeber our away game at your place this season, when you narrowly did us. Lauaki came off the bench and gave a crucial penalty away, i'm 99% sure you scored off it. That's the eternal frustration with him. He will make you put your head in your hands, no doubt.
Having said that, there is talent there. Only time will tell eh.
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